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    Default And then this one.....

    Same villain as 10 10 hand. I had been running all over the guy and been picking his pockets. Was this blind agression because I was cleaning his clock? Or would you have drawn the conclusions I did and keep on firing?

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    Pre-flop: (8 players) Antneye is Button with
    2 folds, MP1 calls, 2 folds, Antneye calls (2.48:1), SB calls, BB checks.

    Flop: (4SB, 4 players)
    SB checks, BB checks, MP1 bets, Antneye raises, 2 folds, MP1 3-bets, Antneye caps, MP1 calls.

    Turn: (6BB, 2 players)
    MP1 bets, Antneye raises, MP1 calls.

    River: (10BB, 2 players)
    MP1 checks, Antneye bets, MP1 calls.

    Results:
    Final pot: 12BB

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    not sure I would raise the turn.

    you arent really protecting anything.

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    Scary board!

    Mp didn't raise pf so any ace he's got is probably A-little but it might also be A-T or A-J which explains his 3x bet, calling your cap and then leading out on the turn.

    Once you re-raise him again on the turn, if I were him I'd be wondering if you're playing trip Tens or Jacks! Certainly enough to slow me down if playing 2 pair. Also I would re-check that board and see K-Q making all those re-raises but would wonder why you didn't raise them pre-flop. (BTW why didn't you raise preflop?) By the same logic if the guy was limping TT or JJ, he might slowdown if he figured you flopped the str8 - but why didn't he raise preflop?? hmmmmmmm? Which kinda makes me wonder why you raised the Turn? Weren't you giving him credit for anything? You capped the flop but on the turn he comes charging out at ya - has to have something!!!

    I don't put this guy on a str8 (unless it's the idiot end) - he stopped betting so is either on pair(s), trips or is still drawing.

    You might very well be behind to A-J or trip T - hmmmm
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    I'd raise PF and hopefully eliminate at least the SB, plus people tend to get real nervous when an A flops with a PF raiser (may think you're bluffing otherwise). Another advantage is if he dosen't back down on the flop you can start wondering why he's not slowing down. I'd seriously start considering QK, AJ, TT here had we raised, you should have some stats on him as well to help on a read. (don't forget you can also datamine on prima before sitting ). Without a PF raise I'd play the same unfortunatly we're not sure if there's anyting on that board that he might be afraid of.

    I'd play the turn the same.

    River.... your raise bought you a free SD, depending on your read you could just take it although with him not going away to the turn aggression I'd be suspicious as to why he's still around.
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    I won't post results yet, but this was a case of me not giving him credit for anything because of recent history. He was a LAP and I had been leaning on him pretty hard. After the hand regardless of the results I was wondering what I was thinking.

    As far as me limping.....A10 off is not a great hand. I had the buttone and wanted to see a cheap flop. Unopened I obviously would have raised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antneye
    As far as me limping.....A10 off is not a great hand. I had the buttone and wanted to see a cheap flop. Unopened I obviously would have raised.
    Captain! - thar be water in da bilge!

    Failure to raise with this hand in this position is permission for either blind to club you into submission with 7-2 and a flop A-2-2!!

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    When someone who is a LAP gets aggressive on the flop and turn I get concerned. LAPs tend to get passive after the flop, when they stay aggressive and 3 bet flops, and lead out on the turn, there's a good chance we need a monster to win. I'd probaly just flat call the turn against a LAP here.

    I'm still raising this PF against only 1 limper, if nothing else to try to drive out the SB, and it makes people nervous when an A hits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aces-o-8s
    Captain! - thar be water in da bilge!

    Failure to raise with this hand in this position is permission for either blind to club you into submission with 7-2 and a flop A-2-2!!
    I give. Clearly to passive on my part.

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    Let me clarify the A 10 limp. I have noticed that my offsuit big card hands have not been doing very well so I have been trying to pull back on them. I have always raised hands like this, and lately have tried avoiding getting too involved with them.

    I think in this spot though i should have raised from the button with only 1 limper in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antneye
    Let me clarify the A 10 limp. I have noticed that my offsuit big card hands have not been doing very well so I have been trying to pull back on them. I have always raised hands like this, and lately have tried avoiding getting too involved with them.

    I think in this spot though i should have raised from the button with only 1 limper in.

    How do you avoid getting too involved with them by limping? You do that by folding!
    All limping does for ya is make the next decision harder because you have no iformation from the limper ahead of ya or the one behind! Might as well limp in blind!

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