Per Beavis' and Antneye's orders, I'm posting my two biggest losing hands from my session earlier today for everyone to slice and dice.

#1

Prima Poker skin
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.50/$1
10 players
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Pre-flop: (10 players) Gir is UTG+1 with
UTG folds, Gir calls (I know - this is a loose call) (1.5:1), 4 folds, CO (poster) checks, Button folds, SB calls (2.5:0.5), BB folds.

Flop: (4SB, 3 players)
SB checks, Gir bets, CO folds, SB calls (5:1).

Turn: (3BB, 2 players)
SB checks, Gir bets, SB raises, Gir calls (6:1).

River: (7BB, 2 players)
SB bets, Gir calls (8:1).

Results:
Final pot: 9BB
SB shows 5s 4h
GirevikKB mucks: Jack of Hearts, King of Hearts
Iwasajackoff wins $8.75 from the main pot

#2

Prima Poker skin
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.50/$1
9 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (9 players) Gir is BB with
4 folds, MP3 raises, 2 folds, SB calls (3.5:1.5), Gir 3-bets, MP3 calls (7:1), SB calls (8:1).

Flop: (8SB, 3 players)
SB checks, Gir bets, MP3 calls (9:1), SB folds.

Turn: (5BB, 2 players)
Gir bets, MP3 calls (6:1).

River: (7BB, 2 players)
Gir checks, MP3 bets, Gir calls (8:1).

Results:
Final pot: 9BB
MP3 shows 10s As

The KJ and 55 hands show a problem. If you're gonna play a marginal hand from EP, RAISE IT!!!!!!!!!! Take control of the hand, if you have to showdown a winner then you can tighten up from EP and they'll call you with junk because they've seen you raise KJ and 55 up front. By limping you are telling them "when I raise I have JJ+ or AQ/AK), when I limp i have a small pair or suited cards"

Repeat, if you are going to play a marginal hand up front RAISE IT. and then use the results, good or bad, to your advantage.

Hand 1 you limped in on a hand you know you shouldn't be playing and let someone else see the flop cheap. Anything can happen from here. You have no idea what he has .... he has no idea what you have. Classic case of being in a situation you wouldn't have been in had you played your pocket cards correctly.

Second hand ... crap happens ... much like the beat you put on someone with your pocket 5's best hand.

Back to basics and don't chase the victories ... they will come. Don't bolster your bad luck with bad play.

KJs is marginal... with the proper table this is a good play, but the .5/1 at prima is not that type of table... I think you probably should have folded. HAd this been paradise or VC where the FE is much higher, limping with marginal hands PF is perfectly fine.

In this case, it is so marginal that KJo i fold instantly, but KJs I will think about.....

And how is the 55 hand a beat??? He probably correctly limped with 55, and hit his set. He got paid. HE got paid well. He got paid by a fool who couldn't think beyond his own hand. calling that a beat is crap.

Originally Posted by Steve-O

The KJ and 55 hands show a problem. If you're gonna play a marginal hand from EP, RAISE IT!!!!!!!!!! Take control of the hand, if you have to showdown a winner then you can tighten up from EP and they'll call you with junk because they've seen you raise KJ and 55 up front. By limping you are telling them "when I raise I have JJ+ or AQ/AK)

Repeat, if you are going to play a marginal hand up front RAISE IT. and then use the results, good or bad, to your advantage.

I couldn't agree more. I went through a 3 month span, where I NEVER limped in the first three positions. I got swingy because I had to follow it up, but the trial and error worked and I understood my tendencies and my opponents' a lot better. (Hence, my "AJ! Go away!" feelings).

Flop, turn, and river I like your play. You have to bet the turn with the diamond draw and you seldom gonna get raised. Good value bet and way to chill out on the river.

The Queens hand is gonna happen.

I didn't play low-limit much because it pissed me off. I'm not sure of the swings, but I'd think their big. I was big on The $25-$100NL games for my first couple of years. A Small-Stakes limit stat exchange thread could tell a bit more as well. I know a lot of people here have some good data to cross-reference.

Originally Posted by Beavis68

Marm, why are you being so hard on him? He is already kicking himself.

What? I thought I was on Gire's Side?