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    Poker Expert Antneye's Avatar
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    Default 10 10 limit

    Thoughts? only about 20 hands against villain.....a little tough to categorize but id say SLPP bordering on TPP. I cant trustthis though because i only had about 10 hands with him at this point.



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    Limit: $0.25/$0.5
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    Pre-flop: (10 players) Antneye is MP3 with
    UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls, 2 folds, Antneye raises, CO 3-bets, 3 folds, UTG calls, UTG+2 calls, Antneye calls (12.4:1).

    Hoping to get the button here I doubted the limpers would fold.

    Flop: (13.4SB, 4 players)
    UTG checks, UTG+2 checks, Antneye bets, CO raises, 2 folds, Antneye calls (16.4:1).

    Lets see how much he likes his hand. His raise is good/bad.....I put him on an overpair at this point, but it thinned the herd in case I am good and he is playing AK or something.

    Turn: (8.7BB, 2 players)
    Antneye checks, CO bets, Antneye calls (9.7:1).

    Call down mode. I may be good and I've picked up a gutshot...6 outs if im behind.

    River: (10.7BB, 2 players)
    Antneye checks, CO bets, Antneye calls (11.7:1).

    I'm probably beat but I am getting almost 12:1. He doesn't need to have AK very often for this to be profitable.

    Results:
    Final pot: 12.7BB
    CO showed Ks Kc
    Antneye mucks Tc Ts


    Anyone play this differently?

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    I see it like this if the player is reasonable:

    Pre flop you raise ... he re raises ... gotta put him on top 4 hands but could be making a move... the flop will tell.

    You bet the flop ... if he was playing a hand to improve he would probably call ... if passive possibly fold ... he wouldn't raise .. which he did .. alarm bells (is this guy capable of making a re raise bluff on a flop after being raised pre flop?).

    Turn .. he bets ...

    If he was holding a hand to improve this would be an incorrect play .. you gave him the free card yet he elected to pay for it ... this shows strength or a poor player.

    River card .. he bets again ... showing some strength ... betting here is no value unless he thinks he has best hand ...
    str8 is not on (he can't see you raising pre flop with 8T or something 7).

    If he had Ak, AQ, AJ he would have played this hand badly.

    However you had an over pair and was fairly cheap to see it to the end so think I too call it down.
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    On the flop the bets are only 1/2 size so when you bet it was for 1/2, then CO raised a 1/2 so your both in for a full bet. Since your TT is top pair to that board and you're guessing CO has eithr Ak or another overpair (good read since he also re-r pf) the best time to gain more info on his hand would be on the flop - where the bets are 1/2 price!
    I think had you re-r to 3x, the CO would have capped and you could fold with pretty good assurance you were beat! Taking the next 2 ck-calls for 2 full bets, your 3x on the flop would have saved you 1.5 full bets if you read the info as a bigger overpair and folded. Otherwise I guess you're doomed to ck-call to sd just as you did.
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    not really, here you just have to take your medicine.

    you're not gonna fold the flop for 1 more bet and unfortunately the turn ups your outs to 6. If we put him on JJ, QQ, KK, AA, AK, AQ there is a 50% chance your ahead (25% if we eliminate AQ) coupled with 6 solid outs so you gotta call, even if you are 90% convinced he has you beat you should probably call here. At the least it's good info collection for an unknown player
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    As steve said, You should call this down. Good play. And you get some good info on the player, that alone is worth the possibly -EVish of this play.
    Marm is back, maybe. Been off for 3 years. Rusty as Hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve-O
    not really, here you just have to take your medicine.

    you're not gonna fold the flop for 1 more bet and unfortunately the turn ups your outs to 6. If we put him on JJ, QQ, KK, AA, AK, AQ there is a 50% chance your ahead (25% if we eliminate AQ) coupled with 6 solid outs so you gotta call, even if you are 90% convinced he has you beat you should probably call here. At the least it's good info collection for an unknown player
    Ditto.

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    Nah, post the results... hopefully the intelligent poster will post his reply, then go back and read the results.. and then offer future suggestions based on the opponents play.
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    What about waiting to for the turn to bet?

    The pot is pretty good and has some draws out, you arent going to make anyone fold, and the turn card will affect your equity greatly.

    If a heart, an A, K or Q hits, you can get off the hand much more cheaply if the table starts going nuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beavis68
    What about waiting to for the turn to bet?
    With an overpair to the board and a pf re-r behind I could see going for a ck-r but why give up re-taking control (or attempting to) from the pf re-raiser?

    Quote Originally Posted by Beavis68
    If a heart, an A, K or Q hits, you can get off the hand much more cheaply if the table starts going nuts.
    'Cheaply' is best accomplished on the flop. Did you read my first post on this thread? I suggested 3x betting the flop so that if the CO capped, you could fold with reasonable assurance he had a better overpair and would save 1.5 big bets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marm
    hopefully the intelligent poster will post his reply, then go back and read the results.. and then offer future suggestions based on the opponents play.
    I've thought that it stops a lot of people from posting replies and when they do are result oriented. Not everyone is an 'intelligent poster," but there are new players or people who are just new to forums, that benefit from thinking about the hand and posting their thoughts.

    I can pick 10 people, at most, who won't look at the results. I see when I scroll down to review the hand while posting my reply a lot of times. Not everyone can disregard that and we could lose some great posts from that.
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