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    $100NL Hold Em.

    I have a $100 stack, as do both others involved in hand.

    Ep raise to 5bb
    Cold call
    I call with - probable big pair there so high implied odds.


    Flop:

    (Pot - $16.50)

    PF raiser bets $16
    Caller folds
    Your play?

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    ummmm...

    OVER BET... he dont have the nut flush IMO... he could do it with the non-nut, but he raised from EP... probably have a big PP or AK or Q.

    so he have an over pair no club, or 2 over cards + a club, probably the A with AK.

    you are favorite VS these 2 hands.

    Only hand you are underdog is bigger pair with a club.

    He can also have a set, but I cant see somebody raise in EP ith 66 or under.

    I'll try to gain some fold ewuity and raise him here.

    KJ
    Last edited by KINGJACK; 06-01-2006 at 04:39 PM.
    Originally Posted by Girevik
    Heck, I've seen people go nuts with middle pair!

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    Push it like Salt n' Pepa baby.

    He's got big cards or a bigger pair. I heavily doubt he has a set or 77, so your str8 draw is alive. Your flush draw could be dead, but most of the time, with a flush, he check to you. Worse case, you have 8 outs+folding equity.

    I think a raise is out of the question because any raise leaves you with less than what's in the pot. That said, if this is the kind of guy who'll bet/raise small with big hands, you'll increase your folding equity by raising to $40. People who bet/raise small are more likely to believe a small raise to be strong. You could get a free river card.

    Little reads, I'll gamble and push.
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    Yeah... Alex is right... I was thinking of raising the pot, but it commit you to the pot...

    So push!!!

    KJ
    Originally Posted by Girevik
    Heck, I've seen people go nuts with middle pair!

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    pot bet kinda looks like hes protecting his hand or just wants you to fold. what do you think his range is? this board is really scary to like 2 red tens, you have alot of fold equity.

    i dont think he has a big pair with a club, as AA probably makes a 1/2 pot bet, does not mind somebody drawing at a flush haha.

    raise or fold.

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    At the time I was putting him on AA-QQ/AK.

    His potsize bet im putting him on either AA/KK/QQ with or without club.
    Or AK/AQ with A of clubs.

    If I had a 50bb stack I would have pushed in a shot, however I didn't want to be called by AA/KK with a club and be 2:1 underdog for 100bb stack.

    As it happens I have just checked PT and I have 315 hands on this guy:

    45% VP$IP and 9% PFR. I was 4 tabling and had a big hand on another table so didn't properly check GT. This leads me drastically towards a push.

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    I'd put him on 99-QQ with a slight chance he's got a club. But you have an open-ended straight flush draw...either raise and expect to go all-in on the turn or just push now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WotaWaster
    At the time I was putting him on AA-QQ/AK.

    His potsize bet im putting him on either AA/KK/QQ with or without club.
    Or AK/AQ with A of clubs.
    I don't know if Alex, KingJack or Sean work for a living or if they are playing with somebody else's account but take a breath and look at what going on here!

    Start with what you're putting the guy on! Then look at what your drawing to - or - TWO OUTS - COUNT THEM AGAIN - ONLY TWO OUTS! that's 11:1 for two draws. Anybody drawing to a non-flushed str8 is braindead - im(hr)o!

    If those odds look good to you then you better go all-in so you can make sure you get to see both turn and river and not chicken out to a re-raise! Otherwise this is a clear FOLD!

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    wo wo wo...

    2 outs if hes on the flush...

    But he's not...

    If hes on the nut flush, he would have check or make a standard continous bet... unless hes a very very good player and he thinks you can make that reasoning...

    If he is on a non nut flush, the preflop action dosent fit...

    This guy dont want to see more action... the worst you can expect is over pair flush draw... and agaist that, you still have 10 outs... + fold equity!!!! yeah he have a redraw on 8 of them, but you have 10. against 2 over and a FD, you are favorite!

    In cash games you have to push +EV situation to the extreme...

    ALL IN BABY!!!!!

    Lets gamble a bit!

    KJ
    Originally Posted by Girevik
    Heck, I've seen people go nuts with middle pair!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KINGJACK
    wo wo wo...

    2 outs if hes on the flush...

    But he's not...

    If hes on the nut flush, he would have check or make a standard continous bet... unless hes a very very good player and he thinks you can make that reasoning...

    If he is on a non nut flush, the preflop action dosent fit...

    This guy dont want to see more action... the worst you can expect is over pair flush draw... and agaist that, you still have 10 outs... + fold equity!!!! yeah he have a redraw on 8 of them, but you have 10. against 2 over and a FD, you are favorite!

    In cash games you have to push +EV situation to the extreme...

    ALL IN BABY!!!!!

    Lets gamble a bit!

    KJ
    The only flush Wota can win with is a str8-flush!! That's ONLY 2 OUTS!! All other flushes have him beat.
    The only other 'winning hand' has to be a non-flush hand and that would probably be a set of 4's - which again is ONLY 2 OUTS. Are you suggesting he chase trip 4 w/3 clubs on board?

    What your talking about here King, is a BLUFF! The +EV/+ fold equiy is ALL BLUFF!

    ALL IN BABY!!!!!

    Lets gamble a bit!


    Pretty loose with Wota's money aren't ya??

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