Again, it looks good.

Fold or raise all in situation considering your stack size VS pot...

obvioiusly you made the right move... I would have push too... only downside is if better calls you, you probably have near no outs. But hey... you do it cause you think you are upfront at least 50% of the time...

KJ

Originally Posted by tightagressive

Dealt to wesman46 [ Qd Ac ]
SurefireNutz calls [$0.50].
pipedr3ams folds.
cwgbowler raises [$4].
Pellepenna folds.
Randarino folds.
wesman46 calls [$3.50].
SurefireNutz calls [$3.50].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Kc, Qc, 3c ]
wesman46 checks.
SurefireNutz checks.
cwgbowler bets [$6].
wesman46 is all-In.
SurefireNutz folds.
cwgbowler folds.
wesman46 wins $35.05 from the main pot

You have 9 clubs to the nut flush, 2 Qs to trips/quads and 3 Ks to 2pr/FH = 14 0uts and 2 draws giving you 0.95:1 odds.
First: There's nothing wrong with a fast win on the flop with a vunderable hand but for better than even money I think you may have rushed this win and left money in cwgowler's stack that could have been in yours!

Secondly, in spite of the great odds you have, you still only have 2nd pair at this point with a pf raiser raising into you. If he had pocket Kings he had 2x Q, 3x 3 and 3x ? (turn card if not a Q or 3) for 8 outs to the full house - about 3:1 to make a FH. Your all-in ($18 in a $18 pot = $36) giving him $36:$12 to call.

Third: Your all-in with a 3 flush board had to convince him you flopped the made flush and without the , there wasn't anything for him to do but fold! Maybe that was lucky for you but more likely it was lucky for him had you slowplayed it to the turn instaed of going all-in right away.

Just a different way to look at what you discribe as a Standard play.

A8 is soooo right!

I did'nt notive the FD...

You have to go all in 100% of the time here... no mather what your read is.

KJ

Originally Posted by tightagressive

when did i say the 2nd hand was standard? 2nd hand is in no way standard, looking back it was pretty dumb but thats what i get for multi tabling, i know i dont play as well.

2nd hand is standard for me at least...

you have 2nd pair, and a FD and you are low in chips...
Pushing maximize your equity. I cant see you call or fold here... can you?

KJ

Originally Posted by tightagressive

i dont think its standard to check raise this though. which is why i wanted oppinions

LOL... right...

But not that musch of a bad play... I think I could do it the same way sometimes...

Everybody checks, you got a free card... somebody bet, you got bigger pot to steal!

If i know one of these 2 opponents is really willing to lead-steal flop, I will check raise it 1/3 and open allin 2/3.

any way... you got the pot eh!!!

KJ

Originally Posted by tightagressive

when did i say the 2nd hand was standard? 2nd hand is in no way standard, looking back it was pretty dumb but thats what i get for multi tabling, i know i dont play as well.

Have you forgotten the title you labled this thread with? If you wanted the 2nd hand treated differently maybe you should have started a seperate thread on it!

And you're right about multi-tabling. A lot of rookie errors and 'dumb' plays can develope from having your attention spead over 2+ games. Also goes a long way to explain why some plays end up being discribed a 'donks' b/c the 'donk' was distracted and bet/raised without thinking about the action taken so far.
Youself being excluded from the 'donk' catagorie ofcourse!

Originally Posted by tightagressive

i agree a push is obviously a good play, but i think its alot more effective if i have more chips.

im giving im pretty good odds so lots of donks make a crying call with like KJ

i dont think its standard to check raise this though. which is why i wanted oppinions

How else wwere you going to get anything out of your opps if you didn't check raise w/3 clubs on the board and you holding the ? If you lead out he would have kept his $6 and folded!
Besides, your opps was the pf raiser thus making a flop check into the raiser the normal thing to do followed up by the re-r if you wante to end it right there. The all-in ck-r looks like you don't want to play this out and would like to win it right there. Depending on what the opps was holding, this play might have probpted me to call rather than give it up to ya.
I still think the ck-call was a better play with a ck-r on the turn once the opps gave up a few more of his chips!