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    only 20 hands on villain - 60/15/.82 he said "this is my last hand" before raising....

    Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with <---you guys happy?
    2 folds, Hero raises to $0.8, SB raises to $1.3, BB folds, Hero calls.

    Flop: ($2.9, 2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $2, SB calls. His re-raise pf threw me off, but this is the flop I'm looking for

    Turn: ($6.9, 2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $5, SB calls. If he's got rocket, I gotta pay him off.

    River: ($16.9, 2 players)
    SB bets $10, Hero ??

    Wtf?

    Results:
    Final pot: $36.9
    BB is t100
    Preflop: Hero is UTG with :3d :5d,
    Hero raises to t500

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishodeath
    Turn: ($6.9, 2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $5, SB calls. If he's got rocket, I gotta pay him off.
    You already said it yourself! Can't fold 2 pair incase he has pocket Aces - until the river the only thing he's done is raise pf. All that says is he's got something!! Without further action that something could be just about anything - maybe but not likely - he woulda/shoulda re-raised on the turn maybe ? - but that wouldn't warrant a pf re-r would it? ?
    Last edited by Aces-o-8s; 05-31-2006 at 09:28 PM.

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    At least call this hand but I'd put a raise in. If he's a got a T then that's the shit because he shouldn't be hanging around. I think he has a lower Q though or a mid-A and is trying to take it with 2-pair.

    I think you're more likely to be looking at a lower 2pair or a bluff (missed his FD? Why he would still be chasing it dunno, but it's a sea out there). If he had his trips and any decent ability in him, he would check again because it's obvious you would not not bet the river. He could then pop you and take it instead of leading out again.

    I'd say if I had to guess to put him in one specific hand it would have to be AK. Warrants the PF re-raise and the steal attempt on the river. Missed his draw but paired his A.
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    fold.

    his stats = loose player. 20 hand sample =jackshit, so lets just pretend it is 2k hands for a moment;

    when a loose ass player min raises you pf this is a warning sign of strength. b/c normally its a call w/ crapy hands, but w/ a min raise might be; AK-AQ, KK-QQ. maybe AA 40% of the time.

    this looks like slow play; min raise pf, call, call, bet. honestly what do you think he'd do that with? deffinately not air.

    he could have 10x, AA,QQ, maybe KJ but i doubt it. this is a fold unless he's dumb enough to make these moves w/ AK. thats all you beat AK
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    top 2 pair on the turn dosnt compare to his kj or a 10 suited which gives him justice for reraising.....but dosnt make it right


    hes also checkd into u twice now betting on the river, this shows strength to make u pay to see, i fold take my money back on the next hand

    i also would of bet 3-4 dollars on the flop he flat calls i check the turn
    Last edited by obga; 05-31-2006 at 09:45 PM.

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    hmm.. i bet the flop alot harder here.. full ps on the flop.. if its still called then...

    i probably check the turn for pot control - just cuz his check-call after RRing you PF looks very very suspicious, he could easily be slowplaying a set here.. Id say ur either way ahead or way behind on the turn (he either has AK - or TT QQ KK AA, unless his small ass pf RR was a misclick). If he has AQ then he would lead on flop, he would also lead with the KK/AA - unless he is a loose passive player, then he may check-call in an attempt to slowplay.

    I then proceed to flat call river if he leads, either that or value bet it if he checks.

    If he has the AK, then he would probably lead into you on the river, and then u can proceed to call and take his money. If he has anything else, then ur probably way behind at that point, if not drawing dead. So checking the turn and flat calling the river would minimize ur loss if u were indeed up against the set. By checking the turn, you will also not get bluffed out on the river when the potsize is large if thats what he was planning and you dont have to go thru those situations where ur very hesitant to call on the river - like what happend in the situation posted. If hes a donk, he may have played AK like that as well, and because of that he may have potentially bluffed you out on the river because the potsize was substantially larger making the river call a lot harder on your part.

    The only downside to this is that you give him a free card just in case he was playing AK, or if he had 2 clubs. But given the fact that he RRed pf and the way he played the flop, Id say him having 2 clubs is very unlikely.
    Last edited by Eclipse86; 05-31-2006 at 10:09 PM.

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    oh btw-

    - fishodeath sitting in seat 5 with $24.44 [Dealer]
    - SB sitting in seat 6 with $36.10
    BB is t100
    Preflop: Hero is UTG with :3d :5d,
    Hero raises to t500

    Quote Originally Posted by Marm
    YOU ARE WEAK AND LOOSE. JUST LIKE AN OLD HOOKER! BAD HOOKER! BAD!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eclipse86
    If he has AQ then he would lead on flop, he would also lead with the KK/AA

    i dont think he would lead with the boys and rockets, i think he would slow play them, he sees the ace on the turn hes fine with that, then the 10 on the river is a miracle card because hes just sealed the deal, he dosnt have cowboys im 95.32% sure of it


    i wouldnt ride on this boat

    "this is my last hand" screams i have a monster to me....i wanna quit on aa because i know i would be getting paid, i just took him off kj he has aa
    Last edited by obga; 05-31-2006 at 10:16 PM.

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    Just an observation $10 into $16.90 is not really a big river bet where I play.
    2/3 pot is fairly standard. If he bet anything less than that I would call it a value bet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WotaWaster
    Just an observation $10 into $16.90 is not really a big river bet where I play.
    2/3 pot is fairly standard. If he bet anything less than that I would call it a value bet.
    lol, fair enough, I just couldnt think of a title...
    BB is t100
    Preflop: Hero is UTG with :3d :5d,
    Hero raises to t500

    Quote Originally Posted by Marm
    YOU ARE WEAK AND LOOSE. JUST LIKE AN OLD HOOKER! BAD HOOKER! BAD!

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