AJo from EP in Limit

**Pok 7's** · 05-31-2006

I was reading something on 2p2 about a guy who mentioned he stopped playing AJo in EP at the lower limit tables and he noticed a big increase in his win with it. Said he had about 150K hands at .5/1 so far.

What are your guys feelings on this hand from EP? (UTG - UTG+2) Full ring game.

I'll have to wait till later to chek my PT stats but overall I would guesstimate I'm raising it fairly often from here more often than not. Do you guys think this hand is more than likely unprofitable from here?

**Antneye** · 05-31-2006

You know my answer on this. AJO is my biggest loser by far. I raise it from EP, but need to evaluate the adjustments I need to make. I think folding is far to weak. We could limp, but what do we do when its raised? I think we need to raise it, but be prepared to let it go if we don't improve.

**Pok 7's** · 05-31-2006

Originally Posted by Antneye

I think we need to raise it, but be prepared to let it go if we don't improve.

But the thing to think about is what really is improved? I generally hate to see an A hit if I get 1 ot 2 flat calls behind me. How confident can we be in our ace? It seems like a catch 22 situation..loose players tend to flat call with any A and might start reraising us with AT or lower or a dominated hand. Rocks will flat call PF with an AQ and even AK and clam up to a 3 bet on the flop if they raise our flop bet...but call down a bet or, bet if we check.

**Antneye** · 05-31-2006

Originally Posted by Pok 7's

But the thing to think about is what really is improved? I generally hate to see an A hit if I get 1 ot 2 flat calls behind me. How confident can we be in our ace? It seems like a catch 22 situation..loose players tend to flat call with any A and might start reraising us with AT or lower or a dominated hand. Rocks will flat call PF with an AQ and even AK and clam up to a 3 bet on the flop if they raise our flop bet...but call down a bet or, bet if we check.

There lies the rub...........

If I knew the answer I wouldn't bebleeding money with this godforsaken hand. Someone call Growlers. We need him. And phyto.....and marm...and alex......collectively we've got to be able to figure this out.

**Beavis68** · 05-31-2006

it would be marginal at best.

people misplay big aces post flop a lot.

you only get AJo in EP about .81 hands out of 100, so you would have to be really misplaying it to notice an increase in your WR.

if you are losing more than .25bbs per hand with it, you probably have other wholes to look at.

**Antneye** · 05-31-2006

Originally Posted by Beavis68

if you are losing more than .25bbs per hand with it, you probably have other wholes to look at.

Well I am losing .61 BB/hand right now. It's off the charts for me. I have to have a whole in my head to even consider playing it right now.

A10 off is a winner...maybe i will just start telling myself it's A10 off. Now that I think of it I fold A 10 from EP. In fact I hardly ever raise it unless i am in LP and its folded to me.

**Pok 7's** · 05-31-2006

For me AJo is a pretty decent winner for me, I was just wondering if it can become a trap hand too easily. I'll have to chcek my stats when I get home from EP, I posted my numbers with this hand in Ant's AJo thread but haven't looked at my play from EP.

Maybe this will help Ant also.

**the alex** · 05-31-2006

AJ hand

At the tail end of this great thread were the intangibles of comfort level with marginal hands one-by-one and their importance. I don't think that comfort level is very understated in poker discussion on marginal hands and situations.

If you're not comfortable, you'll find a way to fuck it up. Certain hands in certain positions make certain people feel backed in a corner and they haven't even seen a flop. Then, they wonder why the fuck ups keep coming.

This is a natural byproduct of "by the book" and two-card poker. It's easy to disregard that the flop, turn, and river are where people lose the most money.

**Beavis68** · 05-31-2006

Originally Posted by the alex

It's easy to disregard that the flop, turn, and river are where people lose the most money.

Very true statement, that I why I said if you are losing big with it you probably have other problems, it isn't that you played AJo PF, it was that you are calling down loser too often.

You can't go far wrong treating AJo like ATo, the difference between the two is fairly minor.

**Trons** · 05-31-2006

Well, I'll raise PF with AJo if I'm first to open (from any position). I tend to trust the kicker if I hit an A on the flop unless I get reason from somebody not to. Too many people at the lower limits will play any A.

I do get very careful if I don't hit the flop or if the flop comes off scary. AJ is a hand I have no problem check/folding on the flop if it looks ugly/dangerious. I also will not make a continuation bet ever regardless of the flop...If it's checked down and the turn still looks safe, I may take a stab at the pot then...but I have to know the other guy in the hand can put me on a hand and fold. This happens so infrequently as to not be mentioned.

I am a break even player with AJo...so take that for what it's worth...

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