early in a 4+.40 stars 180 man. Handed seemed to weak to raise but to good to fold...


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: ITH Forums)

saw flop|saw showdown

MP3 (t1460)
CO (t1480)
Button (t1440)
Hero (t1200)
BB (t2240)
UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1280)
MP1 (t1400)
MP2 (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is SB with , .
UTG calls t20, 1 fold, MP1 calls t20, 1 fold, MP3 calls t20, CO calls t20, Button calls t20, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t140) , , (7 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, MP3 checks, CO bets t40, Button folds, Hero calls t40, BB calls t40, UTG folds, MP1 calls t40, MP3 folds.

Turn: (t300) (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, CO bets t80, Hero calls t80, BB calls t80, MP1 calls t80.

River: (t620) (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, CO checks.

Final Pot: t620

Results in white below:
Hero has 4s Jd (two pair, jacks and fours).
BB has Tc As (one pair, tens).
MP1 has Th Ac (one pair, tens).
CO has JavaScript 6s (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: Hero wins t620.

Originally Posted by Fishodeath

Preflop: Hero is SB with , .

I stopped reading when I got to this line. Anybody who plays this trash doesn't need critiquing, he needs a kick in the ass!

it cost me 10t to see a flop and a pot of 140t (13:1).. Comon...

J4o only has 8.6% equity (thats to the river) in this scenario. thats 12-1 ish. Given implied odds, you did not have enough odds to call here.

J4o is SO weak it is not playable from any position. I try to fold it in the BB, but they won't let me.

Yeah, but in tournaments when you can get in for this cheap...sometimes you are looking to get lucky, which he did. Admit it, you dont always go by the odds and probabilities, sometimes you just go with your guts.

Originally Posted by Marm

J4o only has 8.6% equity (thats to the river) in this scenario. thats 12-1 ish. Given implied odds, you did not have enough odds to call here.

J4o is SO weak it is not playable from any position. I try to fold it in the BB, but they won't let me.

So since I was getting 13:1 I was getting enough direct odds, and implied odds only make it better not worse. The flop I slowplayed (the point of my posting - this a bad idea?). The turn was scary, but I had 4 outs to improve so 2:23 or about 1:12. so I'd need to win a pot of 960 to breakeven, and with a pot of 600 on the turn, thats not unreasonable. And thats assuming somenone has the flush (not always the case here). If there isnt a flush, I'm almost certainly good. Then checking the river is another question I had, is it too passive?

Also - dont get my intentions wrong here, anything less than two pair is check/fold.

Originally Posted by Fishodeath

Also - dont get my intentions wrong here, anything less than two pair is check/fold.

The odds of flopping 2 pair from 2 unsuited is 49:1 ( www.homepokergames.com/odds.php )

To answer your question thou - anytime you have 2 weak pair on the flop you have to play fast or risk being outdrawn. I don't mind a small pot won on the flop vs a big pot lost on the river playing overly vunerable hands like this and the threat of a flush draw.