So i am playing a 4 handed live tournament last weekend, and this hand comes up. After about the 25 hands of everyone limping every hand, i find on the button. I raise it up to 10 (1/2 blinds). The big blinds reraises to 20, and I quickly move him in for 100 more (we play with each other a lot and I was 80% sure he didnt have aa or kk). He thinks about it for a long time, and then finally calls with . I thought this was a terrible call, for a few reasons. First off, I am a tight player and these guys play with me every week, and they know that. Knowing this, they are either a huge dog to aa kk or qq , and even money with ak suited. Also, he had a nice stack, so Its not like he had to gamble here. What do you all think about the call?

Why are you 80% sure he didnt have AA or KK? You got called by a better hand, its not his fault. If he wants to gamble let him.

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your reraise is too big.

either make it 40-50 or call and look for the ace or king on the flop.

Also 54/46 is not even money especially when he is getting 123 to 80 on his call.

first hand when i had 40 percent of my chips in and it's a rebuy tourney? not bad at all

I play in this game, and I think the reason he said he was 80% sure that the raise from big blinds wasnt aa or kk is because this guy overplays those two hands. Stevo i dont understand your logic at all. So he should push half his stack in preflop and if the big blinds moves all in does hefold? or if big blinds just calls and no ace or kings hits does he fold and lose half of his chips?

I like the agressive play here with AK, put the man to a descicion for all his chips. If he makes the call with JJ, hes basically saying that he knows he can't win the tournament any other way and needs to risk his whole stack to have a shot at it.

Also, an agressive reraise after a reraise usually constitues aces or kings, in which case jacks are dominated. I don't think the button would raise all in here with 99-22 , maybe 1010. I would never make that call there with jj, its so risky.

what are you talking about negranu222? your post doesn't make sense lol.

IF the game was four handed, I don't see anything wrong with the play, AK is a good hand to be all-in with.

No, what I'm saying by the reraise being too big is that he is giving away his hand. How would you play it if you had AA or KK? not pushing all in and hoping the other player folds preflop. you would call or reraise to 40 or 50 and hope your opponent bets into you, exactly why I would play AK this way as well.

I only stated what i would do preflop, when the flop comes you are put to a whole different set of decisions.

The only legitimate hand your opponent might reraise with that you are ahead of is AQ (unless he is loose or on a steal, but with a reraise to 20 from 10 I would lean toward him being strong rather than trying to win the pot outright. if he made it 30 or 40 it would be a little more likely he has 2 big cards).

Use your position here to your advantage, if he raises to 40 or 50 see's the flop now he can either catch his Ace or King or move his opponent off the hand if he checks to you on a ragged flop. If your opponent moves all in in front of you, you just saved $50 or $60.

i have to point out that you make no attempt to put your opponent on a hand, you only surmise that he DOESN'T have AA or KK (or are hoping this is the case). If you play with him enough to KNOW this information why don't you know any of his likely holdings?

I think what happened here is, you overplayed a hand, your opponent correctly put you on a hand that he was ahead of, he made the right call and now you are upset about it.

Instead of criticizing your opponents play you may want to go back and look at your own decisions and what you could have done differently.

But even if big blinds knew the other guy had ace king suited, would it still be correct to make the call with jj. In my opinion, even though this has positive ev in the long run, if both players had deep stacks, there is no reason to put all your chips in here. If you have a strong read and put the button reraise on ace king suited, then ok your ahead, but why get all in on such a gamble. This is just my opinion, I would rather use my skill to win a tournament rather then gamble for it. The only hand I could think of that the button would lagitimitly reraise all in here that jj would have dominated is 1010. Also, there are other circumstances to the hand that you would know if you played in this group.

1) the "button" is a tight/solid player who almost never makes an all in steal like this.
2) Almost every time in the past, when the "button" moved in after a reraise, he has aa or kk.
3) The "button" overplays big pocket pairs

i'm not quite sure what game you're talking about but the one i'm thinking of it was the first hand and it was a rebuy tournament so folding there woulda been retarted. this is not the wsop. plus i coulda rebought and still been average stack