It has +ev regardless of how many times you run it. 1, 2, 3, 10k

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It was atournament at brents house, you weren't in the hand. What rebuy tournament were you talking about?

Ok bonchkid, I understand it has positive ev every single time, i just don't like getting all in when its pretty much even money. If I was the person with JJ, and i correctly put my openent on ace king suited, I would still not make the call, because i know im more then 4% better then him.

You would muck JJ here, in a 4 handed game, with 20 percent of your stack already in the pot, AND knowing he has AK?

hmmmm, wow.

Cheers,

Mike

PS. I like the play. But my guess is your image isn't as tight as youthink it is ... But hey in a tournament I'd make his call every time. Anyone here fold JJ 4 handed PF? He'd have to be insanely tight AND insanely predictable to make me fold... And I don't think that's a good image to have *grin*

IT IS NOT EVEN MONEY!!!!! You are a 54/46 favorite and more importantly you are recieving 123 to 80 pot odds.

Even if the hands were reversed this is an automatic call.

Anybody who wishes to flip a coin as a 46/54 dog please call me! this is a myth perpetuated by mike sexton and the WPT, this is not a race situation, it is not even money, it is not a coin flip. One player is a favorite the other is an underdog.

AK vs TT 43/57
AK vs TJs 41/59

these 2 hands are within 2% points of each other yet people consider 1 to be a coin flip and the other to be an underdog.

AJ vs 55, mike sexton would call this a race, I call it a 56/44 shot. call these hands what they are not what TV wants them to be for dramatic reasons.

A coin flip is 89s vs 66.

oooo, nevermind. i thought you were talking about the multitable at brents. you're talking about brant

I was there, and im pretty sure it wasnt raised to 20, it was button raise to 7, big blinds raise to 14, button raises all in for 120 more. So there is 148 in the pot and he has to call 120 more. The 28 chips aren't what matters to me, its either busting out or having a huge stack. I don't think pot odds really matter here... if he was getting like 2/1 on his money some how then pot odds might matter. The way you put it "who here folds jj preflop in a four handed game" it sounds like a big deal, but its really not. If you think about the circumstances, i dont think its that big of a laydown. Some people just don't have the ability to laydown a big hand i guess.

Stevo there has to be some cutoff between coin flip and underdog, can you not comprehend that those are the accepted cutoff points in the poker world.

Yes it would be a big laydown, and probably a long term loser unless you are playing with a ridiculously tight bunch of folks.

Pot odds always matter unless you are in some kind of flat pay-out tourney and you already have a spot locked up. In-fact, I would say pot odds are ALL that matter. If you aren't basing your desicions off pot-odds, what are you basing them on?

Im not basing it on pot odds, because it makes no difference in this situation. You either bust out of the tournament or have a monster stack. The 20 chips you were basing your descicion on are probably not going to effect much later on .

Im not saying always lay down jj preflop to a reraise, but in this situation i think it was the right laydown.

So you are saying that you should always base your desicions on pot odds? So if 6 people move in in front of me and i have 2 7 offsuit, i should move in my stack because im getting the right pot odds?