Couple hands came up while I was playing today where I almost timed out trying to figure out weather or not I had odds to call. thought I'd see how you guys do - give your self 20seconds after you've read the hand then make your call, I'll post results and we can have a deeper discussion if theres any interest. Keep in mind that the players at this level are very fishy...



HAND 1 -

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: ITH Forums)

saw flop|

SB ($9.50)
BB ($5.95)
UTG ($4.22)
MP ($11.49)
CO ($39.45)
Hero ($13.40)[/color]

Preflop: Hero is Button with , . SB posts a blind of $0.10.
UTG calls $0.25, MP calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, SB (poster) completes, BB calls $5.70 (All-In), UTG calls $3.97 (All-In), MP calls $5.70, CO folds, Hero ??




HAND 2 -


Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: ITH Forums)

saw flop
MP ($6.90)
CO ($27.35)
Button ($10.82)
SB ($13.20)
BB ($38.50)
Hero ($32.51)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with , . SB posts a blind of $0.10.
Hero calls $0.25, 1 fold, CO raises to $0.75, Button calls $0.75, SB (poster) calls $0.65, BB calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.50.

Flop: ($3.75) , , (5 players)
SB bets $0.25, BB folds, Hero calls $0.25, CO calls $26.60 (All-In), Button folds, SB calls $12.20 (All-In), Hero ??

first one pretty easyy i got about 16:6 so about 5:2 about 2.5 tyo 1
last one took a while i think it was 12:2, or about 6:1. <- id deffianetly time out on that one.

i usuually just do rough estimates, math plays a little part in my calls. i like this popo quiz. i did it as fast as i could. i hope im close.

hand2flop

flop is 42 pot and 26 for me to call. so id say its about 1.8ish:1
1.8:1 so does this meen a call???? Id say very close. but i muck......pf

ok you got the odds, I know its hard to figure a range of hands with no reads. But assuming standard low quality players from party do you call or fold based on whatever hands you figure make these moves?

the relation between the hands that you are up against, and pot odds is very important. lots of times ppl have a "good odds, ill call" mentality. that may be correct in limit, but in NL it is bad.

hand 1;
from the CO, you deffinatly have an interest in playing this hand. so call/raise, whatever your cup of tea is. however after the action, it is clear that J high is not the best hand. this is an auto fold;
a. your jacks and/or tens may be dead.
b. the pot odds arnt that great
c. mp will have about 5$ left after call, so there is little implied value. also you might miss flop, and hell just chuk it in, a situation that is ugly.

hand2: here you have 2 big stacks, so flushes have good implied pay off. still your OOP, and you not the agressor, so fold.

the raises from LP dont mean much, so id say 35% of the time your Ax might be good. so a call is possible for .50. but i still fold.

flop; you should raise this a bit to build a nice pot. (remember the ppl behind you raised, so most likely the have a piece and wont fold) anyway, the action really picks up;

CO overbets = protecting a nice hand. two pair, set, or a double draw (like open strait + flush) I really dont think AK would do this.

SB bets minimum then calls all in. this = strait draw, flush draw, floopped strait, flopped flush, < depending on how fast he clicked call it can be apperant.

Id say 9 outs is an optemistic number. the gutshot J could be a split. also it is possible that clubs are used.

looking back, this is a pretty nice post i wrote.

also i found this; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pot_odds it seems like a very nice explenation for pot odds related things.

#1: getting 3 to 1 on to call vs. 3 other opponents (fold)

#2: 2.25 to 1; nine outs = 36% or 2 to 1 = odds to call

OK, took about 30-40 seconds for each answer, how'd I do?

Originally Posted by Beavis68

hand one, you can't really tell what you need to good pot odds, but me thinks JTs is too weak here.

Hand2. you need 2:1 pot odds to break even - you are getting that and a little overlay from the pot, so you can call. But you shouldnt be in the pot anyway.

How do you get 2:1 to break even?

Worst case is that you're up against a set, and you'd be about 35% to win, about 1.8:1. It's 26 to call 43, so that's just 1.6:1.

If you're up against the straight, you have a much better time of it . . . you'll draw out your flush 36% of the time and draw a tie out 12% . . . so you need more like 1.4:1.

If you up against 2 pair, you're about 44% to win or need about 1.3:1 (13:11).

If you're up against the smaller straight (J9) you're nearly 50% to win, so you don't even need to worry about the odds (you're always getting at least 1:1 on your $).