This hand was played against the same guy in my first "hand spam" post...only 2 hands I saw him play up to this point.

Poker Stars
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.50/$1
9 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is BB with
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, 4 folds, SB calls, Hero checks.

Flop: (4SB, 4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, SB folds.

Turn: (3BB, 2 players)
Hero bets, MP1 raises, Hero 3-bets, MP1 calls.

River: (9BB, 2 players)
Hero bets, MP1 raises, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: 13BB

I lose to TQ

Again looks good.

This one, if you lost, is a clear beat. These piss me off. You get a great flop for a crappy hand that nobody sees coming and the river sweeps you away.

Fold preflop. Don't play trash three handed. These 0.5 sb's add up and I used to bleed money out of the SB until I tightened up a largely play raise or fold poker. Need at least one other limper before you call here.

Given that, the rest of the hand looks fine.

edit: oops, for some reason I thought you were SB. I let the comment stay up just in case you would have called from the SB - LOL. Looks fine out of the BB.

I may have checked. If someone else bets I'd probably have check-raised and if not then I'd be okay with the slowplay. Other than that I probably would have done everything else the same (which is a very, VERY bad sign for you), except I may have rerasied the river.

Originally Posted by growlers

Fold preflop. Don't play trash three handed.

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edit: oops, for some reason I thought you were SB. I let the comment stay up just in case you would have called from the SB - LOL. Looks fine out of the BB.

How many people do you think you need in the pot to make playing suited cards from the SB worthwhile?

Originally Posted by Girevik

How many people do you think you need in the pot to make playing suited cards from the SB worthwhile?

I believe the number is 5, someone please let me know if I'm wrong though.

It depends on if you have any high card strength or connectedness. For true suited trash I require at least 5 limpers in front of me. The math would proabably say that you even need more than this. If there is some high card strength or connectedness then I'll call with three-four limpers in front of me. Again, that is probably worse odds than the math requires.
If there are only two limpers you are only bleeding money with these hands.

"Ciaffone's rule" is that you shouldn't call out of the small blind with any hand that you wouldn't willingly play on the button after some limpers. This is because you are OOP. This is probably good advice.

Originally Posted by growlers

It depends on if you have any high card strength or connectedness. For true suited trash I require at least 5 limpers in front of me. The math would proabably say that you even need more than this. If there is some high card strength or connectedness then I'll call with three-four limpers in front of me. Again, that is probably worse odds than the math requires.

Here's a question let's look at a mid to high suited connector, 9Ts-KQs with 1 or 2 limpers and a raise from the CO or button. Are you raising or folding here? Also mid to high suited one gappers same range. J9s, QTs etc.

I know you generally advocate folding or raising from the SB and I agree with all the reasons. To me it seems like it plays best miltiway but isn't strong enough to raise. Is this stll a raise or fold scenario?

Originally Posted by Pok 7's

Here's a question let's look at a mid to high suited connector, 9Ts-KQs with 1 or 2 limpers and a raise from the CO or button. Are you raising or folding here?

I know you generally advocate folding or raising from the SB and I agree with all the reasons. To me it seems like it plays best miltiway but isn't strong enough to raise. Is this stll a raise or fold scenario?

Oh man, that is tricky. You nailed the few hands that I think have some "wiggle room". I think calling, folding, or raising are all possibilities and it all depends on reads. KQs is a three bet hand for me against high VPIP players, but that is a hand I would happily call maybe 70% of the time and three bet 30%. 910s is probably my absolute cutoff where I would flatcall. The advantage to getting a straight or a flush is that there are cards in the playing zone that your opponent will like too. Flopping a 256 straight with the 34s does not usually generate a big pot. Flopping a AK10 with QJ will be awesome!!

The difference between this and a hand like 77 is that it is much easier to guage where you are at on the flop. If you get a flop like J82 rainbow you really don't know if your 77 is still good. With those suited connectors it is alot easier to judge. I think you are much much much better trying to take control of the hand with 77 since you are OOP to take it down quick than playing the caller role. That is why I think raise or fold for any pocket pair (without enough people to play for set value) is the best play. The arguements are different for high suited connectors.

See that's a range of hands I was always unsure about I'd like to play them but usually fold....I edited after you quoted but what about suited one gappers in the same range?