Critique...good, bad, ugly? Villian was fairly new at the table so hardly and hands seen on him so far. I'm not crazy about my flat call PF (but I like to play this hand )


Ultimate Bet
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.50./$1
10 players
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Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is SB with
UTG raises, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls, 5 folds, Hero calls, BB folds.

Flop: (7SB, 3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, UTG+2 folds, Hero raises, UTG calls.

Turn: (5.5BB, 2 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks.

River: (5.5BB, 2 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls.

Results:
Final pot: 7.5BB

YES!

Me likey. Of course, I get called a Maniac too often.

Preflop. Well we can't raise, and We really don't want to fold given our odds and hand... so lets call. It's one of those lesser of 3 evils type plays.

Flop, without a read, I hesitate at this manuever. But, If he hasn't shown fishy enough tendencies yet, it's a good one to see what he does under pressure. The reads you get from this hand will most likely give you insight later on. You may even get him to fold.

Turn, He's got overs we're guessing, But.... this can get expensive, so we check. Now he's thinking, "WTF, Does he think I'm stupid enough to fall for that twice" So he checks. THis also tells us that he's almost certainly got just overs.

On the river, we're pretty sure he's ace high right, I'm guessing 80%, so we bet for value here. Now he has to figure what CR's the flop, Checks the turn, then bets out on the river. Flush Draws can do this to attempt the free card on the turn, and since that is a very possible move, he has to call With his AQ or AK.

Based on this, I like it. You should have won this hand. The other 20% hand he may have is 99 or TT.

Seems like maybe he was on a flush draw with middle or bottom pair as well. He probably decided to make a stab at semi-bluffing for the pot and figured when you raised you had something. He was probably confused by the river. My guess is that he had a pair and thought maybe you were bluffing the whole way or something. He figured he would call for one more bet to see if his hand would hold up. Not so sure about you play with those sevens. I probably would have led out on the turn with a bet and see what he does. If he reraises you can toss your hand. Either way it didnt turn out horribly for you, even if you did lose. So tell me, what did happen?

Originally Posted by Marm

YES!

Me likey. Of course, I get called a Maniac too often.

Preflop. Well we can't raise, and We really don't want to fold given our odds and hand... so lets call. It's one of those lesser of 3 evils type plays.

Flop, without a read, I hesitate at this manuever. But, If he hasn't shown fishy enough tendencies yet, it's a good one to see what he does under pressure. The reads you get from this hand will most likely give you insight later on. You may even get him to fold.

Turn, He's got overs we're guessing, But.... this can get expensive, so we check. Now he's thinking, "WTF, Does he think I'm stupid enough to fall for that twice" So he checks. THis also tells us that he's almost certainly got just overs.

On the river, we're pretty sure he's ace high right, I'm guessing 80%, so we bet for value here. Now he has to figure what CR's the flop, Checks the turn, then bets out on the river. Flush Draws can do this to attempt the free card on the turn, and since that is a very possible move, he has to call With his AQ or AK.

Based on this, I like it. You should have won this hand. The other 20% hand he may have is 99 or TT.

OMG this is a little wierd because I usually agree with Marm but I disagree with almost every street.

Preflop: I like a raise or fold line here. Calling usually will get you 4 handed with 77 which really sucks. If there was another limper then fine. Online I would raise this if UTG was loose or weak, OTW fold. Live I may call this only because my ability to guage reads on the flop is better, but normally I raise this and lead out.

Flop: CR sucks here since you just called preflop. You are way ahead or way behind here so lead into UTG, he will raise even with overcards, and that gets UTG+2 out so you can get this headsup.

Turn: Congrats, if you are ahead you just gave a free card to overcards.

River: Value bet.

But I hate how you played this hand and I hate Marm's line here. Am I missing something???

edit: I reread this and am NOT confused! Given the fact that you flat called preflop, the flop play and turn play are absolutely awful. Why would you want UTG+2 in the hand here?? After you check and UTG bets, most players call here with anything in a raised pot because he assumes you will call too and then will call along to the turn at least after your unlikely CR. This is a raised pot - you want to win this ASAP, best way to do this is to lead into preflop raiser and hope he raises. This is a much better use of two SB than CRing on the flop. You were very lucky UTG+2 folded with this board in a raised pot.
Lead out on the turn - if he had overs he may fold which is an excellent result in this raised pot. You have a marginal made hand and there is a flush draw and a guy with probable overs there headsup - why in the world would you EVER check this????
This hand makes me cry softly.

I reread this hand again and I think I am moving through those 5 stages of loss : I have gone from crying softly to just plain mad at this hand.

Let's see if someone can talk me into some sort of acceptance. But I don't think that will be possible. Good luck.

Originally Posted by KRE8R

So tell me, what did happen?

I'll wait untill Growlers is done being pissed at the way I played it

Originally Posted by Pok 7's

I'll wait untill Growlers is done being pissed at the way I played it

Sounds like it may be awhile....

I SUCK AT SMALL BLIND PLAY...there you broke me down , there's a reason I have a very small VP$IP and high fold to steal attemps from here.

Poks, since you didn't say so in your post what was your intention if the villian bet and UTG+2 called? Did you just CR here b/c UTG+2 folded or were you planning to do it? If you had a good read on your opponent as a typical TAA player would your play here change?

My small blind guidelines consist of SSH gidelines from the blinds for tight play, (play PP against a raise if someone other than the raiser enters the pot behind them). So I decided to see the flop... no set so normally I'll fold this if UTG+2 called, hands like AJ-TJ aren't uncommon for someone to want to see a flop with and AJs could be a possible raise from UTG. With UTG+2 folding I figured I'd put the pressure back on the raiser to see if he had a piece of the flop, an overpair, or just overs...Against a solid TAA honestly I'm probably folding PF, and if both players stayed in I'm folding.

If the villian bet here were you gonna call? Were you actually trying for another check-raise? If you knew your opponent was a total fish what would you do here? What if he was a maniac

Seems like a lot of people like to get aggressive on the turn at these levels (at least lately) unsure if it was a possible trap I went the safe route, figuring if he just has over's he might check behind and like Marm mentioned I didn't want to turn this an expensive hand. Being OOP I was hoping my CR scared him into trying a bluff with overs and if he has a J or an overpair he'd probably bet here. Knowing my general tendencies I'd probably raise him either way (trying for a free SD), which is why I decided to check.

If you had bet the turn what would your play have been here? If you get raised are you gonna call? If your opponent was aggressive would you play it differently?

If I bet the turn I'm betting the river here, and I'll call a raise...again if he was more aggressive on the earlier streets I'm done with the hand. River was a value bet, I didn't have a good enough read to know if he'd make a bluff attempt here.

Again I know I'm horrible a playing from here, which is why I don't play a lot of hands from the SB I have a pretty "strict" guideline I try to stick to however I'm SLOWLY trying to learn how to play from here. Which is why I posted this.