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    Stu Ungar OrionPro's Avatar
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    Default AKo, Final table hand

    I screwed this one up, in the heat of the battle. But I'm still VERY interested in how you guys would've played it.

    Note: Big stack (button) was VERY tight, would only play with monster hands. so I wasn't afraid of him here. As expected he folded.

    I tried to get rid of the limper preflop, didn't work.

    After the flop I tried to bluff, didn't work out either since the guy caught trips with his 22.

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t2000 (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    Button (t130928)
    SB (t9674)
    BB (t29410)
    UTG (t35328)
    MP (t35438)
    Hero (t29222)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with A, K.
    1 fold, MP calls t2000, Hero raises to t10000, 3 folds, MP calls t8000.

    Flop: (t20500) 2, 9, J (2 players)
    MP bets t6000, Hero raises to t14000, MP raises to t22000, Hero calls t5122 (All-In).

    Turn: (t61622) 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    River: (t61622) 3 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Final Pot: t61622

    Results in white below:
    MP has 2d 2c (three of a kind, twos).
    Hero has Ah Kc (high card, ace).
    Outcome: MP wins t61622.

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    dunno, you represented a big pair the whole way, unfortuanly MP caught trips. Tough break, mabye if you raise less (8000) you could have gotten away from it on the flop. When ppl limp then call a huge raise, 90% of the time they have a pocket pair and are looking to flop a set, unfortuantly any pocket pair is ahead of you here. Depending on the player, raising the flop represents a big pocket and might get someone to lay down a lower pocket... dunno, he basically won the race in this hand.
    BB is t100
    Preflop: Hero is UTG with :3d :5d,
    Hero raises to t500

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishodeath
    dunno, you represented a big pair the whole way, unfortuanly MP caught trips. Tough break, mabye if you raise less (8000) you could have gotten away from it on the flop.
    yeah, you bet 1/3 of your chips pf then just overplayed your AK post flop.

    simple mistake. no worries

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    either calling or folding post flop.

    calling must have reason behind it tho.

    most likely folding.

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    True, next time I'll assume someone must have PP in this situation.

    Although, As far as I know, the odds must be 7:1 catching them on the flop and I gave him only 2:1 or so?

    I doubt he would've pushed without the trips on the flop.

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    no he didnt have the correct implied or direct odds to hit trips.
    BB is t100
    Preflop: Hero is UTG with :3d :5d,
    Hero raises to t500

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    YOU ARE WEAK AND LOOSE. JUST LIKE AN OLD HOOKER! BAD HOOKER! BAD!

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    The preflop raise could perhaps be smaller, though it would depend on your read on the guy. To be honest I like it. It's bold enough to give a good chance of picking up the blinds and if you get called and miss the flop you have a good chance with a continuation bet.

    His bet on the flop gives you two options, push or fold. The reraise isn't going to drive much out, again Fish look at his pot odds (though a push isn't going to do much more than make the psychology of the thing harder for him to call with top pair).

    He hit the flop hard and misplayed it badly preflop, I think your only mistake was not pushing the flop rather than reraising (not that you wouldn't have lost anyway, but I'm trying to not be results oriented here). If you felt confident in your read on him then perhaps it would be possible to fold to his bet on the flop but your good strong play preflop should really have won the pot there.



    As to what I would have done, I reallllllllly like pushing AK preflop here in this kind of situation. I pick up the blinds a lot and if I get called I get to see all five cards versus the underpair. AQ finds it hard to fold and even KK gives me outs. However this again depends on the table conditions and my table image.

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    yes, all in pre-flop. The pot is already big enough.

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    I think your play is probably fine . . . . though I would likely have pushed PF or on the flop.

    Another reason to raise all in PF is that it likely pushes out a lot of coinflip hands like 22-99 (obviously the smaller the pair, the more likely the fold).

    Unfortunately, a push PF also pushes a lot of hands out you have dominated like A8-AJ, KQ, KJ, etc. AQ would likely call here (but I could see our opponent folding it here), as would any PP TT+.

    So I think either way - push or pot sized reraise - is fine.
    Jason75: Ok, you check and the button bets 400. Now what?
    Beavis68: You play poker.
    Jason75: Darn, I was really hoping for canasta. Maybe Gin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaFish
    I screwed this one up, in the heat of the battle. But I'm still VERY interested in how you guys would've played it.
    Pre-flop - raise MP call to 8000. With Blinds at 2000 3x should be enough although 4x is more convincing. 5x looks like overkill and maybe that you really don't want the action (depends on how table has been playing lately - was 5x not unusal?). You have a very strong hand and shouldn't worry too much about drawing some action - if you want to avoid action then push all-in. What would cause MP to call 5x raise that was only good enough for a limp in the first place??? Has to have a small-mid pp - a big pp like AA, KK, QQ would have re-raise you all-in.

    Flop - pretty ragged but MP leads out instead of checking to the raiser! Either very bold (bluff) or very smart (he's not afraid of whatever you got and is willing to stick it in your face!) At this point, it's down to my read on MP - would he risk moving up the money on a bluff here or does he have me beat? With only Ace high and only 2 cards to come and my stack in jeopardy - discresion is the better part of valour - I fold reluctantly.

    What I'm wondering is how did either of you manage to get to the final 6 out of a field of 180 playing like that?
    Last edited by Aces-o-8s; 05-23-2006 at 02:33 PM.

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