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    Stu Ungar Mr.McJ's Avatar
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    Default Aside from folding PF....

    .....how would you have played this hand?
    I realise this is the exact reason you don't play AJ but assuming you got yourself into this mess like I did, how would you play it differently?

    Early in a 3 table SnG, no reads on anyone. The table has been pretty average although the villain has raised PF 3 hands in a row. As soon as the flop came and UTG+1 check/called, I put him on a big hand. At that point I told myself I was done with the hand until the turn came and I made 2 pair.




    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed)

    Button (t1510)
    SB (t1470)
    BB (t1390)
    UTG (t1330)
    UTG+1 (t1440)
    Hero (t1790)
    MP2 (t940)
    MP3 (t1800)
    CO (t1830)

    Preflop: Hero is MP1 with , .
    1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t80, Hero calls t80, 3 folds, Button calls t80, 2 folds.

    Flop: (t270) , , (3 players)
    UTG+1 checks, Hero bets t150, Button calls t150, UTG+1 calls t150.

    Turn: (t720) (3 players)
    UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, Button bets t140, UTG+1 calls t140, Hero calls t140.

    River: (t1140) (3 players)
    UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, Button bets t340, UTG+1 calls t340, Hero folds.

    Final Pot: t1820

    Results in white below:
    UTG+1 has Ks Kc (three of a kind, kings).
    Button has JavaScript Qs (two pair, queens and jacks).
    Outcome: UTG+1 wins t1820.

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    looks ok to me, not a flop I want to invest too much in vs a raiser.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beavis68
    looks ok to me, not a flop I want to invest too much in vs a raiser.
    Should I have folded the turn or was I obligated to call?

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    Well 1st put a note on UTG+1 being a calling station of the 1st order! Flops a set and calls all the way to showdown - donk!

    OK, ignoring the flop as requested, why didn't you raise the turn? Or check-fold if you figured the str8? Calling was the worse action you can make (see calling station above).

    Either you own the hand or you're folding on the turn I'm thinking.

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    He is assuming someone hit their straight, but he has implied to call to hit a boat dont you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.McJ
    At that point I told myself I was done with the hand until the turn came and I made 2 pair.[/color]
    Think about this one, what hands that were ahead of you on the flop are now behind that you made two pair? KQ is the only hand. Hitting the jack does nothing to improve the relative strength of your hand, infact it decreases the strength b/c A10 is now ahead.
    BB is t100
    Preflop: Hero is UTG with :3d :5d,
    Hero raises to t500

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    YOU ARE WEAK AND LOOSE. JUST LIKE AN OLD HOOKER! BAD HOOKER! BAD!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 11 11
    He is assuming someone hit their straight, but he has implied to call to hit a boat dont you think?
    4 outs to make full house x 1 draw = 10.5:1 and the pot was only offering 5.1:1. He'd have to go all-in on the river (and get called) to get paid with implied odds. That may happen if opps does have a str8 but with only an 8% chance of catching the FH that's a mighty big maybe.

    Most HE hands going to the river are won with 2 pair - he should have bet the turn or folded. Calling for a fullhouse was not an option imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.McJ
    Should I have folded the turn or was I obligated to call?
    I will call that turn donkey bet.


    hell, i woudl have called the river too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aces-o-8s
    4 outs to make full house x 1 draw = 10.5:1 and the pot was only offering 5.1:1. He'd have to go all-in on the river (and get called) to get paid with implied odds. That may happen if opps does have a str8 but with only an 8% chance of catching the FH that's a mighty big maybe.

    Most HE hands going to the river are won with 2 pair - he should have bet the turn or folded. Calling for a fullhouse was not an option imo.
    Since im not good at working out with ratios....hes got about a 9% chance of hitting that FH and hes putting in about 14% into the pot..He needs to get about 555 more into the pot on the river so i guess the call is borderline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 11 11
    He is assuming someone hit their straight, but he has implied to call to hit a boat dont you think?
    Not really. . . . I don't think we can count the A as an out most of the time here. We'd lose to AK, AQ, which are entirely plausible holdings.

    So we just have the 2 jacks . . . we're about 19:1 against to hit a jack on the river and make a boat we think we can win with. The pot is laying us 7:1 on the turn, but we aren't going to make the additional 1680 we need just to break even here.
    Jason75: Ok, you check and the button bets 400. Now what?
    Beavis68: You play poker.
    Jason75: Darn, I was really hoping for canasta. Maybe Gin.

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