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    Stu Ungar OrionPro's Avatar
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    Default AKo beat

    How would you've played this hand? Fold after the raise? Raise harder PF?

    (I called his all-in cause I was sure he didn't have much of a hand)

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    SB (t3785)
    BB (t4420)
    UTG (t2510)
    Hero (t1860)
    MP1 (t2775)
    MP2 (t3725)
    MP3 (t3305)
    CO (t4260)
    Button (t2075)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K, A.
    1 fold, Hero raises to t200, 1 fold, MP2 calls t200, 1 fold, CO calls t200, 3 folds.

    Flop: (t675) 2, 7, 2 (3 players)
    Hero bets t500, MP2 folds, CO raises to t4060, Hero calls t1160 (All-In).

    Turn: (t6395) Q (2 players, 1 all-in)

    River: (t6395) 4 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Final Pot: t6395

    Results in white below:
    Hero has Ks Ac (one pair, twos).
    CO has 7d Ah (two pair, sevens and twos).
    Outcome: CO wins t6395.
    Last edited by OrionPro; 05-19-2006 at 04:22 AM.

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    I actually thought a while about his odds to call in the first place, dont think he had them since he needed a 7 with no overcards. Guess apart from the dumb all-in move I played this alright.

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    I like the PF raise and I like the c-bet. I don't like you going broke with nothing, not even a draw!
    BOSS

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    this call is VERYYYY debateable.

    Its either he has a pocket pair or thinks his a high is better then wat u have.

    Yesterday, I've called 9...yes 9!!!freakin bluffs in a cash game.

    I felt EXTREMELY proud of myself...and most of them were not cheap bluffs.

    one example: I have QQ .25/.5 some kid comes in with a raise of $1.5...I re raise to $4...he calls.

    Flop is AcQc4d

    He checks and I bet out $3.5, he calls INSTANTLY...

    turn is blank...he checks I bet like...$6-7ish? he calls.

    river is a 5c...he has this slight second pause...that most beginners cannot catch...and he went all in for $56.

    it was that little tiny second of hesitation (literally 7/10th a second) that made me make the call...I dont know if I should call it a tell or instincts.

    But I made the call after 2-3 of those annoying beep sounds to hurry up.

    Cause I dont think he would have made that bet on the river if he did catch a flush...

    I didnt call because I couldnt get rid of trip Q's...but I thought it was the right call. I can fold almost any good hand if I feel the need to.

    woah...sry totally hijacked

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaFish
    Hero (t1860)
    CO (t4260)
    Button (t2075)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K, A.
    1 fold, Hero raises to t200, 1 fold, MP2 calls t200, 1 fold, CO calls t200, 3 folds.

    Flop: (t675) 2, 7, 2 (3 players)
    Hero bets t500, MP2 folds, CO raises to t4060, Hero calls t1160 (All-In).
    And just exactly what did you think you had that would make you risk your life calling all-in? You had a draw to 2 overcards = NOTHING! At best you had 6 outs - 3 if he was playing KK. If he was playing AA you would need runner-runner K! His all-in gave you pot odds of about 2:1. With 6 outs you need 3.1:1 w/2 draws and against KK 3 outs of 7:1 w/2 draws and vs AA - well you're simply dead meat 999/1000 or worse!

    First rule of tournaments is to SURVIVE! If that means laying down to a possible/probable bluff you can't afford - then you do it! Build your stack and get even later but NEVER risk your life on a draw from the flop!
    Sure CO shouldn't have called preflop but he did - maniac or fish - but who cares, he claimed the pot after a 500 bet into a 675 pot with an all-in raise. With his stack big enough to wipe mine out - I've got to believe him!!

    On the finer points I don't think I would have bet more than 300 on the flop for the reasons.
    1. I want to keep the pressure on - I want the opps to worry about an over pair in my pocket.
    2. Semi-bluff/continuation bet hopefully to win it right there on the flop
    3. High enough to make draws a mistake but not overly hard on my stack and easier to get away from the hand if necessary - like this hand.
    4. Probe bets are generally 1/3 - 1/2 and certainly probing for a hand qualifies in this hand.

    In a re-buy I would still fold to this all-in but in a freeze-out it's really a no-brainer if you think it through!

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    Thanks Aces-o. Basically I was thinking he must have AT+, and if he had lower PP he would fold to the all-in move, unless he hit trips which is unlikely here. I'm not even sure lower PP would have the odds to call in the first place since there was someone else involved in the pot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaFish
    Thanks Aces-o. Basically I was thinking he must have AT+, and if he had lower PP he would fold to the all-in move, unless he hit trips which is unlikely here. I'm not even sure lower PP would have the odds to call in the first place since there was someone else involved in the pot.
    According to the HH it was you calling his all-in (t4060) after your initial bet of 500 and not him calling your all-in (t1160). Why would you go all-in anyway except as a bluff?

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    IMHO $500 on the flop is too much, you're wasting your money. I would have bet $200 to find out where I stand.

    Since you bet $500, you're making it look like you'll (probably) call any raise, so only a fool will try to bluff you. His all-in raise tells you you're behind... you have to know at best you are drawing to 6 outs. There's no good reason to call here.

    I get the sense that you considered your AKo valuable after the flop, which is the biggest mistake. Your opponent made a loose call PF but was smart enough to put you on highcards or 33/44/55/66.

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    Learn to fold on the flop . . . . you made your play at the pot, and now there's no more poker left to be played. Do you think A-high is good here? I make this reraise if I have ANY PP.

    Besides, don't raise AK at these blinds . . . . do a limp/all-in play. Limp with AK, then when you hit your pair, move all in as quickly as possible.

    As Irexes, phytopath, and anyone else who has picked this one up. It's a winner.
    Jason75: Ok, you check and the button bets 400. Now what?
    Beavis68: You play poker.
    Jason75: Darn, I was really hoping for canasta. Maybe Gin.

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    The AK stop & go works well, does it?
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