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Thread: River Play

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    Default River Play

    What do you think about this hand villian is a TAA 15/6/3.84 see SD 28% should I not be capping here?

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    Limit: $0.50./$1
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    Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is CO with
    3 folds, MP1 raises, 2 folds, Hero 3-bets, 3 folds, MP1 caps, Hero calls (10.5:1).

    Flop: (9.5SB, 2 players)
    MP1 bets, Hero raises, MP1 calls.

    Turn: (6.75BB, 2 players)
    MP1 checks, Hero bets, MP1 calls.

    River: (8.75BB, 2 players)
    MP1 bets, Hero raises, MP1 3-bets, Hero caps, MP1 calls.

    Results:
    Final pot: 16.75BB
    Hero shows Qs Qc
    MP1 shows Jd Jc
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    im prolly smoothing on the river because there is a 1 card straight
    If there wern't luck involed i guess id win everyone

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    I definately just call the 3bet of the vialin OTR!

    What can he 3bet with after all... Only JJ or TT fit the action IMO... Any other hand still alive would have been misplayed at some point. Not saying it can happen, but vilain look like a strong opponent.

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    Originally Posted by Girevik
    Heck, I've seen people go nuts with middle pair!

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    I just noticed in PT that QQ is my second biggest money loser so far over 3200 hands on UB...I'm assuming this means I'm running bad on there still? It used to be KK and QQ combined made up about half my losses, KK finally came up to +

    I think this is my first real bout of running bad, the hands that shouldn't be loosing or generaly are + money are making up the majority of my losses.

    KQo (30.10)
    QQ (24.25)
    KJs (14.75)
    QJs (10.50)

    These are my biggest money loosers so far on there.
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    Well KJs and QJs are really tricky hand... they ae dominated by so many others

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    Originally Posted by Girevik
    Heck, I've seen people go nuts with middle pair!

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    I tend to play them more for the flush/straight potentials then pair value, if I'm usually hoping to pair up it's with the lower card.
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    It would be nice to have the opinion of better limit player than me, but i'm prety sure these hands are profitable only in unraised pot and with 4 or 5 limpers or more.

    That said, I was making less than 1.6BB per 100 at 2/4, so my opinion is something you must take not too seriously!

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    Last edited by KINGJACK; 05-18-2006 at 09:46 PM.
    Originally Posted by Girevik
    Heck, I've seen people go nuts with middle pair!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KINGJACK
    Well KJs and QJs are really tricky hand... they ae dominated by so many others
    Yeah like AK and AQs.....BTW did I mention I'm loosing money with those hands also
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    Man!!!! Over a long run?

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    Originally Posted by Girevik
    Heck, I've seen people go nuts with middle pair!

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    No not long term, just my stats on UB, a little over 3200 hands since I signed up..and I haven't had a good session yet... So I'm guessing I have to take into consideration that this is just running badly. At least I hope that's the case. So far my numbers:

    VP$IP- 16.92
    Won$WSF- 34.58
    Went to SD- 26.35
    PF Raise- 7.03
    Aggy- 2.65
    Won$ at SD- 48.86 (this is rather low in comparision I'm usually in the mid 50's)

    Steal attempts- 25.45 (this is higher than usual for me and climbing.. seems I need to work on my steals. I find in certain scenarios I auto click "fold" fairly often when I have the button then it get's folded to me so I'm losing opportunities that way)

    I don't think my numbers are all that bad, but I have been getting hammered by river cards quite a bit lately, which possibly explains the lower than normal SD number.
    Last edited by Pok 7's; 05-18-2006 at 10:05 PM.
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