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    Default Did I donk this?

    180 person SNG. Still playing it - I'm third in chips with 30 left.
    No read on anyone, just moved to table. I though SB played it like a complete moron. But then maybe I did too?
    He yelled and yelled in the chat after the hand. I put UTG on a huge range since his blinds were coming up, low M, and he pushed previous hand with no callers.

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: ITH Forums)

    UTG (t1790)
    Hero (t7615)
    MP1 (t4475)
    MP2 (t8800)
    MP3 (t5310)
    CO (t5450)
    Button (t4927)
    SB (t11505)
    BB (t4720)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with , .
    UTG raises to t1790, Hero calls t1790, 5 folds, SB raises to t3380, 1 fold, Hero calls t1590.

    Flop: (t8750) , , (3 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets t4235 (All-In), SB folds.

    Turn: (t12985) (2 players, 1 all-in)

    River: (t12985) (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Final Pot: t12985

    Results in white below:
    UTG has Ac Qs (three of a kind, tens).
    Hero has Ah Kd (three of a kind, tens).
    Outcome: Hero wins t12985.


    edit for clarity: I am in third as I post this, this hand was with maybe 80 left. Not sure exactly, but I had a little better than average stack.
    Last edited by growlers; 05-16-2006 at 11:10 PM.
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    There was a side pot, so even if this was a bluff (you had plenty of outs to his lower pocket) its legit.

    He did have a lower pocket right?

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    I'm 2nd in chips with 14 left if anybody wants to sweat me!
    He told me what he had but I'll wait for a few responses.
    I'm not a very good NL player so I would like some analysis of SB's line if anyone would help me out.
    Thanks!
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    watching ya.. gl

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    thx, Xone : keep in mind I suck at NL.
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    Standard.

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t1600 (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: ITH Forums)

    UTG (t57658)
    Hero (t59707)
    CO (t39046)
    Button (t45991)
    SB (t43578)
    BB (t24020)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with , .
    1 fold, Hero raises to t4800, 3 folds, BB raises to t23945, Hero calls t19145.

    Flop: (t48190) , , (2 players)

    Turn: (t48190) (2 players)

    River: (t48190) (2 players)

    Final Pot: t48190

    Results in white below:
    BB has Tc Jh (two pair, jacks and tens).
    Hero has Ah Ad (one pair, aces).
    Outcome: BB wins t48190.
    Quote Originally Posted by Beavis68
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    Quote Originally Posted by backdoor
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    Well 4/180 aint bad for a limit player. 1st SNG in 6 months. Could have easily squeaked out 2nd or 3rd as smaller stacks were playing weak tight but I was playing to win, and I don't give a shit about the money. Needed chips to have any shot heads-up.

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t3000 (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: ITH Forums)

    SB (t153718)
    Hero (t47124)
    UTG (t32976)
    Button (t36182)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with , .
    2 folds, SB raises to t153568, Hero calls t43974 (All-In).

    Flop: (t197992) , , (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Turn: (t197992) (2 players, 1 all-in)

    River: (t197992) (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Final Pot: t197992

    Results in white below:
    SB has 7s 8s (flush, jack high).
    Hero has Tc As (one pair, threes).
    Outcome: SB wins t197992.


    This ends out brief river rats diversion, now back to the star of our show: critique my original hand!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by growlers
    Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with , .
    UTG raises to t1790, Hero calls t1790, 5 folds, SB raises to t3380, 1 fold, Hero calls t1590.

    edit for clarity: I am in third as I post this, this hand was with maybe 80 left. Not sure exactly, but I had a little better than average stack.

    The SB screwed any chance of 'gentlemen's' play when he re-raised Preflop and created a sizable sidepot. Once that was done anything you do to win both it and the main pot is fair game.
    Also, implied collusion (unspoken co-operation) doesn't (shouldn't?) really apply until you're at the finale table - with 80 still in the hunt, no-one had any implied (or otherwise) obligation to co-operate in eliminating an all-in player (according to Sklanski in Tournament for Advanced Players). If the SB did have a better hand it was up to him to protect it and not you to allow him a pass to the showdown.
    Speaking of Sklanski and Tournamnets for Advanced Players - if anyone has read it - I just finished it and man, what a work of junk it was. Worst book by Sklanski I've read. I was hugely disappointed in it and what little it offered by way of "Advanced" strategy or +EV in knowledge, skill or understanding. This book has nothing to offer after reading Dan Harrington IMO.
    Last edited by Aces-o-8s; 05-17-2006 at 11:30 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aces-o-8s
    Speaking of Skalanski and Tournamnets for Advanced Players - if anyone has read it - I just finished it and man, what a work of junk it was. Worst book by Sklanski I've read. I was hugely disappointed in it and what little it offered by way of "Advanced" strategy or +EV in knowledge, skill or understanding. This book has nothing to offer after reading Dan Harrington IMO.
    You were spoiled by Harrington's books. I read Sklansky's prior to reading HOH and though I learned a little from Sklanky's, then read HOH and a bunch of light bulbs went off. It wasn't for HOH being so awesome, you would probably think Sklansky's was pretty decent.
    And thanks for the excellent points about SB. He had 44 and tried to tell me I made a stupid call PREFLOP, and then a "ballsy but stupid move on the flop".
    I usually don't table talk, but I proceeded to point out that his stupid preflop raise laid me like 2:1 (I wasn't doing exact math at the time) and then he stupidly checked the flop, and that he donked both streets - he finally admitted "that was my 1st mistake all night" and that "my time will come".
    I of couse busted him around 30th on my way to 4th
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    Quote Originally Posted by growlers
    He had 44
    Booya! hit the nail on the head.

    I think your actually a favorite to win from here anyway.. lets see..

    Board: Tc Jc Ts
    Dead:

    equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
    Hand 1: 46.7172 % 46.26% 00.45% { AhKs }
    Hand 2: 53.2828 % 52.83% 00.45% { 4c4d }

    Well not quite, but I still think it was a good play.

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