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05-04-2005, 06:43 AM
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what happens if you are on flush draw on flop and you semi bluff and he calls and you don't hit your card on the river. do you still semi bluff or check even though it's like 20% or osmething to hit
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05-04-2005, 07:04 AM
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Is it a good idea to : bluff at the turn and show, or get a cheap showdown, and show you have nothing, right when you enter the table?
this way, people will have and remain with this first impression that you are a loose. Then, when you have something, even if you don't bluff anymore, they will still remember your bluff with nothing earlier.
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05-04-2005, 07:53 AM
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I know I'm just a fish, so I my opinion may not count....lol. I don't bluff very often because I want people to think that when I bet....I've got a hand. I think this also helps increase the overall success rate for when I do bluff. I think the whole concept of bluffing is over glorified by television and is used way too much.
I will however, bluff a little more if I am the chip leader and have a substantial chip lead over my opponents to "bully" them around or make them commit more than they are willing to a pot to steal blinds or take down pots if I'm in late position or on the button and everyone checks to me.
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05-04-2005, 08:28 AM
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At the low limits I play 2/4 on down to .25/.50 bluffing is usually a losing play. Only when my gut tells me that there is no way this guy will call will I run one. There are too many fish down there that will call you down with bottom pair on a four flush board to even attempt to bluff. Hell, that happened to me just the other day. He had middle pair but the board had 4 spades and an ace on it. He called me down to the river with middle pair.
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05-04-2005, 09:34 AM
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what happens if you are on flush draw on flop and you semi bluff and he calls and you don't hit your card on the river. do you still semi bluff or check even though it's like 20% or osmething to hit
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If you have position absolutely not! you bet to get a free card, why waste that by betting. it also forces you to bluff again on the river. you play a beautiful hand that should cost you 1 SB post-flop and it ends up costing you 5 because you tried to bluff twice.
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Is it a good idea to : bluff at the turn and show, or get a cheap showdown, and show you have nothing, right when you enter the table?
this way, people will have and remain with this first impression that you are a loose. Then, when you have something, even if you don't bluff anymore, they will still remember your bluff with nothing earlier.
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I would never show a bluff, EVER. if you do you can rule out bluffing again and you have no predetermined knowledge of the hands you will get. What if the biggest pot of the night could have been won woth a bluff but because of what you did earlier someone calls you instead?
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05-04-2005, 10:03 AM
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what happens if you are on flush draw on flop and you semi bluff and he calls and you don't hit your card on the river. do you still semi bluff or check even though it's like 20% or osmething to hit
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I generally don't bluff raise on the turn.
Whether or not to bet on the river is totally dependant on the board and my opponent. The more likely he was on a draw, the more often I will bet.
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05-05-2005, 04:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Steve-O
If you have position absolutely not! you bet to get a free card, why waste that by betting. it also forces you to bluff again on the river. you play a beautiful hand that should cost you 1 SB post-flop and it ends up costing you 5 because you tried to bluff twice.
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so if you have position you should check behind him on flop
but i'm saying what if you first to act...is it as beavis says check the turn
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05-05-2005, 06:04 AM
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I bluff fairly often in low-limit games , as you all know a fish just cant lay a hand down ... so i think itīs most profitable to never bluff in lowlimit.
on higher stakes 10-20$ and above i bluff pretty often
but you need to pick the right moments .... that comes with experience , never try to bluff with more than two players in the pot and when there is flush and straight draws on board .. itīs just to big chance that someone is on a draw and call you .
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05-05-2005, 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Izenra
Is it a good idea to : bluff at the turn and show, or get a cheap showdown, and show you have nothing, right when you enter the table?
this way, people will have and remain with this first impression that you are a loose. Then, when you have something, even if you don't bluff anymore, they will still remember your bluff with nothing earlier.
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A couple of thoughts on this. 1st, if you have been playing at the site for a while people may already have notes on you... so they are more likely to go by their notes rather than just one hand.
2nd, poker is a game played mostly by men. Men typically have big ego's and are very competitive by nature. I would think this is especially true of poker players. So if you make a big bluff (on "their" table) when you first come on, and then show it, they make take it as an insult. Like you are rubbing it in their faces, saying "i am better than all of you and I don't need to have a hand to win". This could help or hurt you depending on the type of table, type of players at the table, and the style of your play the rest of the way.
I would say the element of the "unknown" is much better than showing any type of stregnth or weakness.
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05-05-2005, 02:20 PM
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poker is a game played mostly by men. Men typically have big ego's.
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and the women who play sort of feel like they have something to prove (at least i do sometimes, depending on the situation), so they're not really meeker.
and yeah i prefer to be an unknown too.
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