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  1. #1
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    Default A couple of stud8/b hands

    typically crappy early US tables (I was raking in the FPPs!).

    Hand #4953973365
    7 Card Stud *High-Low* ($0.50/$1.00), Ante $0.05, Bring-In $0.25

    beavis68 (Seat 1): $14.75
    scottieray4 (Seat 3): $20.45
    4x4runner (Seat 4): $8.70
    BinL (Seat 5): $43.95
    chipam (Seat 6): $10.45
    jjetpack (Seat 7): $19.70

    *3rd Street* - (0.60 SB)

    beavis68: 4c 6c 5c___raises
    scottieray4: xx xx 8d___folds
    4x4runner: xx xx Ks___folds
    BinL: xx xx Jh___calls
    chipam: xx xx 2d___*brings-in*___calls
    jjetpack: xx xx 2s___folds

    *4th Street* - (3.60 SB)

    beavis68: 4c 6c 5c Js___checks
    BinL: xx xx Jh Qd___*checks*
    chipam: xx xx 2d Jc___checks

    *5th Street* - (1.80 BB)

    beavis68: 4c 6c 5c JavaScript 8s___calls___calls
    BinL: xx xx Jh Qd Td___raises
    chipam: xx xx 2d Jc Ah___*bets*___calls

    *6th Street* - (7.80 BB)

    beavis68: 4c 6c 5c JavaScript 8s 3c___raises___raises
    BinL: xx xx Jh Qd Td Jd___*bets*___raises___calls
    chipam: xx xx 2d Jc Ah 2h___calls___calls___calls

    *River* - (19.80 BB)

    beavis68: 4c 6c 5c JavaScript 8s 3c Tc___raises___calls
    BinL: xx xx Jh Qd Td Jd xx___*bets*___raises
    chipam: xx xx 2d Jc Ah 2h xx___calls___calls

    *Total pot:* (28.80 BB)

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    Hand #4953911815
    7 Card Stud *High-Low* ($0.50/$1.00), Ante $0.05, Bring-In $0.25

    billvp (Seat 1): $16.60
    jeff1g (Seat 2): $27.30
    daniels25 (Seat 3): $18.75
    Hoofmann (Seat 4): $18.55
    razzler (Seat 5): $18.60
    beavis68 (Seat 6): $23.35
    jjetpack (Seat 8): $18.50

    *3rd Street* - (0.70 SB)

    billvp: xx xx Jh___calls
    jeff1g: xx xx Kd___folds
    daniels25: xx xx Ts___folds
    Hoofmann: xx xx 2c___*brings-in*
    razzler: xx xx Tc___folds
    beavis68: 7h 6h 5s___calls
    jjetpack: xx xx Qd___folds

    *4th Street* - (2.20 SB)

    billvp: xx xx Jh Js___*bets*
    Hoofmann: xx xx 2c 6s___calls
    beavis68: 7h 6h 5s 9s___calls

    *5th Street* - (2.60 BB)

    billvp: xx xx Jh JavaScript Th___*bets*
    Hoofmann: xx xx 2c 6s 2s___calls
    beavis68: 7h 6h 5s 9s 5c___calls

    *6th Street* - (5.60 BB)

    billvp: xx xx Jh JavaScript Th 2h___*checks*___calls
    Hoofmann: xx xx 2c 6s 2s 5d___bets
    beavis68: 7h 6h 5s 9s 5c Ah___calls

    *River* - (8.60 BB)

    billvp: xx xx Jh JavaScript Th 2h xx___*checks*___calls
    Hoofmann: xx xx 2c 6s 2s 5d xx___bets
    beavis68: 7h 6h 5s 9s 5c Ah Kc___folds

    *Total pot:* (10.60 BB)

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    first hand looks solid as you have a big draw going into the last street and raising is going to pay you off more if you hit, the second guy is most likely on a straight and you dont need to worry about a FH really, but the third guy may have a boat as it is pretty clear he at least has a set. when you hit the flush on the last street a raise call is good. second hand , good fold lol

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    obv the fold was good I was more wondering about the other streets.

    Great reads on hand one.

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    My first disclaimer is that I have played with most of these players.
    My second disclaimer is that I wrote my reply to the second hand first, and then copied and pasted around so if its not utterly in the right order

    In the 1st hand I have 400 hands on chipam at 35% VPIP and -16bb/100.
    I have no hands on BinL.

    In the second hand um... I've played with everyone there except billvp.
    Hoofman is 27% VPIP and -8bb/100 over 300 hands.

    First hand.


    3rd.

    456 suited, Monster drawing hand.
    You can argue for completing or calling but imo its too table/position dependant. I don't have notes on all those players either. Just five of them

    Binl is the only one I don't have noted.
    Scottie and jjet are both fairly simplistic players, they have some hand selection and know the basics but thats about it. Fairly average players.

    Chip is a total donkoff. AQ6 rainbow on third type of player, and a calling station.

    I like completing here. If you hit high or low you're going to get value from the table.

    4th.
    Yuck.
    However you got some information here.
    If binl had a pair he would likely bet out here. That means he is either on a straight or flush draw. However he may just be a passive player along for the high half.

    5th.

    I think chip bets because he either paired his ace and didnt look at binls board or is on a 4 low and wants you out. Leaning towards the 4 low.


    Given that the pot is only 1.8bb I fold right here.

    This is the kind of hand that kills you in stud8 where you _may_ be the best in one direction and you need to outdraw both players in both directions. You cant back into two pair to take the high and your low draw is seriously weakened by the eight.

    Given Binls reraise you have to say he either has his straight or he made a four flush/two pair and thinks chip is going low. Its a little hard to say at this point but I'm leaning towards the straight, or just a semi-bluff with a pair.

    6th.
    Joy of Joys.
    You have the only low and you have position, as well as an open ended straight and flush draw.
    Chip calls like the paystation he is and binl oligingly put in another bet.
    At this point I am convinced he has a big made hand. Either a straight/trips/fh
    or an unlikely ish flush ( he'd need two diamonds in the hole ) .

    This means you have the same odds of improving to a straight/flush as Binl but you're always on the sucker end if you both improve to a straight, and he may have a full house draw.

    You're right to jam and make chip pay here but you need to know at this point what your going to do if your straight/flushes come home.
    You will have position again on 7th so at this point you should know what you're going to do on 7th already.


    7th.

    Lowside:

    Chip calls, and that worries me.
    As much of a donk as he is he isn't going to call 7th with one pair here, and he isn't raising which means he doesnt have a full house - that puts your low at risk.

    I seriously doubt he is going high given the other players board but he is a donk so it is still possible, however I think its safe to say your low is busted.

    Hiside

    Bins board is utterly horrible. He could have a straight a flush or a full house.
    You only beat the straight.

    Its unfortunate if you got outdrawn in both directions but its a result of your pretty horrific call on 5th. You were playing catchup all the way so you can't be too surprised if they both redraw on you.




    Second Hand.













    3rd.
    Definately a complete here for me, I'd rather have the pot heads up.
    Low draw isn't particularly great, you're basically aiming to catch a low on 4th and then break the guy going high with the straight.

    4th

    Fold.
    You let hoof in and he is a fool to call here with three low cards against trips with only a three low if he started the BI as two low+one trash.
    You have to credit him with a four low because of the call which means you're behind for the low.

    If bill was on a straight or flush draw he now has a high pair backing it up and is betting out. If he started with a high pair he either has two pair or trips.
    You are way behind for the high at this point.

    You have an inside straight draw and a crappy low draw.
    Second best in both directions.
    Fold.
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    I guess I put a bit of thought process in my post so heres the abridged version.

    First hand you should have folded on 5th, and you got outdrawn in both directions on 7th.

    Second hand you should have folded 4th.
    A good education is expensive but ignorance costs more.

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