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    Stu Ungar OrionPro's Avatar
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    Default Terrible or reasonable?

    I know this hand probably should've been folded PF.

    I put him Ace-High due to PF raise, and thought lets have a look at the flop anyways.

    How would you've played it? My reasoning here was (after the flop) I had more outs than my opponent who might have AK or AQ. He got real lucky with his bullets at the end

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    MP1 ($24.75)
    MP2 ($15.50)
    CO ($9.15)
    Button ($4.95)
    Hero ($21.10)
    BB ($24.75)
    UTG ($9.75)
    UTG+1 ($8.55)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with 7, 6.
    6 folds, Hero completes, BB raises to $0.75, Hero calls $0.50.

    Flop: ($1.50) 9, 9, 8 (2 players)
    Hero bets $1, BB raises to $2, Hero calls $1.

    Turn: ($5.50) T (2 players)
    Hero bets $3, BB calls $3.

    River: ($11.50) A (2 players)
    Hero bets $3.25, BB raises to $10, Hero calls $6.75.

    Final Pot: $31.50

    Results in white below:
    BB has Ad Ah (full house, aces full of nines).
    Hero has 7h 6h (straight, ten high).
    Outcome: BB wins $31.50.

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    I think you're preflop call of the raise is OK, given that you are heads up.

    His raise on the flop is ridiculous. Your call is entirely reasonable. The pot odds are there.

    I think you should have been much aggressive on the turn after you made your hand. Lots of draws are out there. I would have bet at least the pot here.

    I think the river is difficult to play out of position. It presents a lot of bluffing opportunities for your opponent. Your bet was small in relation to the pot, and an aggressive opponent may take advantage of that with a big bet that you would be hard pressed to call. I think you can reduce the odds of being bluffed by making a defensive bet of around half the pot. Some players interpret that kind of bet as a strong hand that still wants to give good odds for a crying call. If you get raised with that kind of bet, I think it is easier to conclude that you are beat.

    I'm not sure that I would have called on the end here, but then again, from your post, I already knew what he held. Trying to be objective, he was offering you about 4:1 odds to call, and you have to weigh that against his first show of strength during the whole hand. On balance, I probably would have concluded that I had been outdrawn.

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    I probably would have checked the river and see what he did. I don't want to build a pot with my own bet here.

    should have bet more on the turn.

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    Yeah that last bet should've been all-in. I was thinking what if my read is wrong, after all I was drawing to the sucker end of the straight.

    Thanks for your input !!
    Last edited by OrionPro; 05-16-2006 at 10:35 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beavis68
    should have bet more on the turn.
    That was my first thought as well, but when I went back and added it up he put in about a half pot sized bet - that's enough to take away odds from a flush draw which is what I'd be concerned about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Girevik
    That was my first thought as well, but when I went back and added it up he put in about a half pot sized bet - that's enough to take away odds from a flush draw which is what I'd be concerned about.
    Betting half the pot gives the opponent 3:1 to draw. A flush draw is 4:1 with one card to come, and so any call would only be marginally incorrect, even if you don't take into account implied odds. Plus, there are other logical hands that could give the opponent even more outs... such as JJ (which would give him OESD + full house draw) or even AsJs (which would give him OESD and a flush draw).

    I guess the point is that this a coordinated board with several draws available that beat the straight you have. Therefore, you have to be aggressive, and IMHO, bet enough to discourage a call. Picking up the pot right here is good result, not a bad one, given the vulnerability of your hand.

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    bet pot on the turn, check the river

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    limp, fold to his raise pf, this is a drawing hand ideally for comunity pots. your out of [position here.

    flop; check raise this flop, not too hard b/c he will prolly call....

    on turn, you bet 3/4 pot here, there is no way he can call unless he is a total jackass (or myabe really weak tight). you will be representing a pair, maybe even a set like this, and thus he will have to fold. (im putting him on A high, KQ, low PP via the PF action).

    the way you play it; stabbing on flop is aright i guess, but leading out on the turn is bad. Also bet/call flop, then bet turn= isn't yelling strength.
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    I didnt notice that you made a strait on turn. leading out like that is good. sorry
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    I would probably fold or raise PF.

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