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    Default AJ in SB

    BB was a maniac, playing a lot of hands and pushing often. MP2 and CO seemed pretty solid, not playing many hands and not showing down often.

    Do you raise pf? How do you play the flop?

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    MP2 (t2125)
    CO (t3425)
    Button (t2095)
    Hero (t2105)
    BB (t750)
    UTG (t2020)
    MP1 (t2480)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with , .
    2 folds, MP2 calls t200, CO calls t200, 1 fold, Hero completes, BB checks.

    Flop: (t800) , , (4 players)
    Hero checks, BB bets t550 (All-In), MP2 calls t550, CO folds, Hero folds.

    Turn: (t1900) (2 players, 1 all-in)

    River: (t1900) (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Final Pot: t1900

    Results in white below:
    BB has 9s Jd (high card, ace).
    MP2 has JavaScript Jc (one pair, jacks).
    Outcome: MP2 wins t1900.
    Last edited by ypsieast; 05-16-2006 at 09:15 AM.
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    you have 10.5x BB. push pf so hard.
    whats the point of playing AJs, if ur gonna check-fold when u hit TP?

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    I like the way this went down. Id you call this, you have to call off the rest of your stack later. Vs the call, I don't like that, but I would have called had it been folded to me.

    I like the PF limp... lets you get away from the hand if you have to, especially since the BB has been a nutcase and a large bet is very likely.
    Marm is back, maybe. Been off for 3 years. Rusty as Hell.

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    MP2's call is what caused you to fold this right? A aggresive player whos shortstacked pushing at a scary flop is nothing to be worried about, but a flat call from another player is hard to decipher...

    Either he had a made flush and wants to bring more ppl along or he thinks he has the crazy BB beat but isnt sure about the players left to act.

    I think I bet out on the flop noone raised pf so its very likely you have the best hand here. If you would have bet out 600-800 here I think everyone folds and you take the pot.

    I prolly call this and hope to check down with MP2, but I play kinda loose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eclipse86
    you have 10.5x BB. push pf so hard.
    whats the point of playing AJs, if ur gonna check-fold when u hit TP?
    Turbo 1-table SnG, I'm in a virtual 5 way tie for 2nd. I'm not ready to push every decent starting hand. If the flop is 2 suited I am betting hard or pushing. Its the mono-suit flop that slowed me down.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishodeath
    MP2's call is what caused you to fold this right? A aggresive player whos shortstacked pushing at a scary flop is nothing to be worried about, but a flat call from another player is hard to decipher...

    Either he had a made flush and wants to bring more ppl along or he thinks he has the crazy BB beat but isnt sure about the players left to act.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ypsieast
    Preflop: Hero is SB with , .
    2 folds, MP2 calls t200, CO calls t200, 1 fold, Hero completes, BB checks.

    Flop: (t800) , , (4 players)
    Hero checks, BB bets t550 (All-In), MP2 calls t550, CO folds, Hero folds.
    Talk about flops I just HATE to see!!!!
    I was ready to scold you for not raising pre-flop although limping A-JavaScript from the SB isn't all that great a sin due to your very poor position. A pre-flop raise would have to be in the nature of 4x BB to ensure at least a few folds but with BB at 200 thats almost 40% of your stack!!

    After catching a flop like that I would have been glad I only limped into the pot pre-flop. Anyone flopping a made flush is something like 118:1 and there it is but more to the point, at least one of the others has to be sitting on a 4-flush (if not a made one)! I just hate these flops and I'm not going to risk my stack this close to the money looking up a maniac or anyone else for that matter. Good flod IMO and it only cost you 1/2 BB. There will be other chances and while a M of 7 isn't comfortable, it's still in the hunt.

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    I'm probably all in on the flop there rather than checking. I can't see AQ or AK being out there and the flush board means you're only getting a call from someone who has connected hugely (ATs A2s TT) or someone with a spade that they like the look of. If someone has two spades, good luck to them I'll pay.

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    How about a pot-sized bet after the flop, then fold to a raise?

    I like Irexes all-in move as well.

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    I understand why you did what you did, and lots of reasonable players would have approached the hand the way that you did. But I feel that you played the hand too weakly throughout, and let me make the case for playing more aggressively here.

    First, your post indicates that this a turbo SNG. You may be tied for 2d and have a 7 M (which, by the way, requires to play more loosely, not tighter), but it's a short table and the blinds are going up soon. AJ may be one of the better hands you see before you have huge stack problems.

    Second, I think the other preflop limpers could have been an opportunity for you, but you're in a better position to assess that. If, with the exception of the maniac in the BB, the other players have been tight/cautious, a 3-4BB raise is enough to drive out all the limpers. They recognize that the raise indicates strength and, given the size of the blinds and the relative equanimity among the remaining stacks, they think long and hard about whether they are willing to play a hand for all their chips... something your raise indicates they may have to do. At a minimum, you'll often drive out speculative hands like low suited connectors or Axs, and that would have helped you to decide how to play this flop.

    Third, I would not have been worried about a re-raise allin from the maniac in the BB. You know he's pushing with less than premium value. I think you should be willing to take him on heads up with your hand, particularly since his all in only 1/3 of your stack. I think that is a match up you want.

    Finally, I really think you should have bet the flop if you thought you had the best hand. The odds of someone flopping a flush are not very high, and since the As is on the board, I think that increases the likelihood that you are, at worst, possibly up against someone with a spade draw. If they want to risk all their chips on a draw, that's up to them. I think it's your job to put them to that decision.

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    This is a very clear push pre-flop with ~10 bb's. The way the hand went I think it was a clear fold on the flop, IF you have the best hand I can't imagine you're a big favorite.

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