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Old 12-20-2004, 01:43 PM
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Here's a hand...

It's early in a SNG. I have about 2100 chips. Blinds are 15/30, and I'm in the cutoff with 8s9s.

There are 3 limpers when the action gets to me. I limp, the button folds, the SB completes, and the BB checks for a 6-way pot of 180.

The flop comes down 10h 7d 6s. The first to act bets 90 into the pot, and everyone folds to me. I call with the open-ended straight draw (maybe paying a little to much for it, but it wasn't much of my stack, and I thought that there was a chance that we might pick up at least one more caller). Everyone folds back to the raiser, and we go to the turn heads up.

At this point, I put him on top pair, jacks at most, because he limped preflop.

The turn is the Ks. I now have an open-ended straight draw, plus four to a flush, although it's not the nut flush.

The raiser bets 120 into the pot which now stands at 360. This just confirms my read, so I raise him to 240. He quickly calls.

The river is the 4s, completing my flush. The raiser goes all-in for about 800 chips. I call. He turns over A10, and I bust him.

He then calls me a "retard." He goes on to complain about how I raised him on the turn with "nothing."

I feel that, if I did anything wrong with this hand, it was that I did not raise him enough on the turn. I correctly read that the K was a scare card for him. I also felt that, if he called my bluff, I now had 15 outs for the river (8 cards to complete the straight, plus another 7 spades to complete my flush). The worst that could have happened to me is that I completely miss the river, in which I fold, albeit with quite a few less chips than I had to begin with. Still, there was a lot of poker left to play.

What do you guys think?
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Old 12-20-2004, 01:47 PM
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Unless you made a mistake, you had the straight off the flop.

If you did make a mistake, and it wasn't a 6 on the board, I think you played it well. Maybe raising a little more on the turn would have been good, but I think it was sufficient.
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My thoughts exactly, Tilt.
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Im seeing a straight on flop also, did you misqueue ?

10 to 6 ...
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The turn raise was pointless (actually -EV unless you were trying to disguise your hand and I am not sure that would work, the K actually could have helped him, too), he is not folding to a min-raise, and you are not a favorite - and you can't get a free card with it, you are inviting him to go all-in and take the pot away from you.

You are getting 3:1 for you call, and you have 15 outs, so just take your cheap card.

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Old 12-20-2004, 02:59 PM
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You're not the favorite? You have the friggen nuts!
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Old 12-20-2004, 03:43 PM
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You're not the favorite? You have the friggen nuts!
Ok, if he HAD the straight, yeah, but his post said he had an OESD - DRAW.

"I call with the open-ended straight draw"

In-fact, when the Ks hits he says again he has a draw.

" I now have an open-ended straight draw, plus four to a flush,"

Further:
"He then calls me a "retard." He goes on to complain about how I raised him on the turn with "nothing.""

Again it looks like he had a straight DRAW.


Then he ends with "The worst that could have happened to me is that I completely miss the river, in which I fold,"

Again making it look like a DRAW - based on that, I am assuming the 6 was not on the board and was a typo.


I think MXP would have at least realized he had the straight while he was typing it in.


Four places say he did not have a made hand on the turn when he raised (and from two people). Only one place says he does. Would be nice if he came back and cleared this up. If he had the straight and knew it, he probably should have raised a little more on the turn. Maybe to 300 or 350.
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I think the bet on the turn was good, allthough it could have been bigger to represent the king. You had a lot of outs and one of them hit, theres not much more to say. If you only had like 1 out and it hit, he could say something. He shouldn't just play the retard card everytime he loses a big pot. Resorting to name-calling is pretty bad and ironically it's usually the people that have no room to talk that do it. by the way his all in on the river is a worse play than your raise on the turn IMO
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Old 12-20-2004, 04:13 PM
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Ok, here is how I would play the hand. Assuming the six wasnt really a six?

I raise the flop, probly 200 straight. He definately will fold a lot of hands here. Also I get a free card quite often.
I check behind on fourth unless I hit my straight.
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