Blind defense...lay down a boat??

Pok 7's · #1 (**permalink**) 05-14-2006, 08:47 PM

Didn't have a ton of hands on the button less than 100 at this point PT has him rated so far as a SLAA player and had 100% steal attempts when he had the button. Besides the PT #'s just based on the way he played the hands and what I know about him and seen I got the impression he is a pretty solid player despite the PT stats. How many people are laying this down? I'm not great at gettin gPrima hands converted so bear with me.

I was able to find out what the button had but I'll wait to see what you guys think.

** Game ID 792962301 starting - 2006-05-14 22:33:33
** Imagine [Hold 'em] (0.50|1.00 Fixed Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

Hero posts the small blind - $0.25
ni_hao posted the big blind - $0.50
** Dealing card to Hero:

TivoGeek folded
tang_1128 folded
_Kain_ folded
budrbelle folded
castine2 folded
ccc1433732r folded
Button raised - $1.00
Hero 3 Bets - $1.50
ni_hao folded
Button called - $1.50

** Dealing the flop:

,

Hero bets - $0.50
Button raises - $1.00
Hero 3 Bets - $1.50
Button caps - $2.00
Hero calls - $2.00

** Dealing the turn:

Hero bets - $1.00
Button Raises - $2.00
Hero folds
Button mucks:
Button wins $10.25 from the main pot

End of game 792962301

Just_dude · #2 (**permalink**) 05-14-2006, 08:53 PM

I think the likelyhood of him having quads is low enough that for a $1.00 re-raise and the fact that you had +/- $6 in the pot I'm not folding this but that's me.. If he has ANY PP you have him covered, just cant believe he has the quads...

Beavis68 · #3 (**permalink**) 05-14-2006, 09:06 PM

please tell me you didn't do what this says you did.

be glad I don't know where you live.

if this was a 100NL game I and he pushed for 99$ I would call.

Beavis68 · #4 (**permalink**) 05-14-2006, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Just_dude

I think the likelyhood of him having quads is low enough that for a $1.00 re-raise and the fact that you had +/- $6 in the pot I'm not folding this but that's me.. If he has ANY PP you have him covered, just cant believe he has the quads...

who care what he has, it is what he COULD have that is important. This is poker not an ESP contest.

11 11 · #5 (**permalink**) 05-14-2006, 10:47 PM

Yeah...no fold...ever...

Pok 7's · #6 (**permalink**) 05-14-2006, 11:25 PM

Here was my take on the situation...Button raises form a stealing position I reraise from the worst position on the board. Possible I'm just defending or he can think I have a hand.

2 kings hit the flop and we both cap the flop, my thoughts here are one of us is representing a king. It's pretty gutsy for someone to cap a flop with 2 kings in against someone who appeared to be stronger than they were PF.

Turn card is another K..I lead out again and still get reraised...What other hands given the action so far can he possibly have against 3 kings on the board? I had to put him on at least Kx

A flush draw is possible but it'd be a pretty gutsy reraise against someone who showed as much aggression as I did FP and flop. A flat call would've given me an idea he has a pocket pair but I couldn't see him being that aggressive to put this much effort into just a steal attempt.

Keep in mind I had a fairly good read on this player as well based on past actions I've seen from him.

Marm · #7 (**permalink**) 05-15-2006, 12:15 AM

Pok.... I'm gonna figure out where you live, go over there, and kick you in the balls.

You should be capping this every friggin street, not folding it.

Eclipse86 · #8 (**permalink**) 05-15-2006, 01:13 AM

i think i bet-call turn, then check-call river.
Maybe even slow down on turn and check-call all the way to river.
If u had a good read on him for quads, then good laydown.

But i think that for every 1 time this happens to you, you will have 2-3 times wheres its just some donkey playing a lower pp or bluffing/capping every single street for the hell of it.

tightagressive · #9 (**permalink**) 05-15-2006, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Eclipse86

But i think that for every 1 time this happens to you, you will have 2-3 times wheres its just some donkey playing a lower pp or bluffing/capping every single street for the hell of it.

or they have like 9 2 off and on the river they are like
"OMFG NUTZ l0l!!!!"

bad fold. i think with absolutely no read on the player its REASONABLE to just see what he has, as in, no 3 bet on the river, but a fold? wtf? one card in the deck beats you, you have the 2nd nuts? why do you fold, for just one more dollar?

Girevik · #10 (**permalink**) 05-15-2006, 05:16 AM

The reraise on the turn may have scared me into check-calling from there, but I don't think I can lay down the 2nd nuts on the off chance the button had the case K. A smaller pocket pair (QQ or JJ) is much more likely.