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  1. #1
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    Default Was this a poor move?

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    MP1 (t2478)
    MP2 (t2341)
    MP3 (t1022)
    CO (t605)
    Button (t7384)
    SB (t1803)
    Hero (t3235)
    UTG (t1465)
    UTG+1 (t2588)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 6, A.
    1 fold, UTG+1 calls t100, MP1 calls t100, 2 folds, CO calls t100, Button calls t100, 1 fold, Hero checks.

    Flop: (t550) A, 7, 2 (5 players)
    Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, CO bets t505 (All-In), Button folds, Hero calls t505, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds.

    Turn: (t1560) 7 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    River: (t1560) 9 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Final Pot: t1560
    He turns over A9
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    i dont see much of a problem.. no raise preflop so he probs doesnt have A10+ mayb A7 or somat but your stack size is enuf to call this with the odds of winning imo

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    If you had a very strong read on the guy as a maniac then it may be worth, marginal though. But with one still to act behind I would fold this rather than risk paying any A other than 3, 4 and 5.

    He could have a mid pp but an A is more likely as he's very likely to be getting a call. Also a shortstack could well have AJ+ and limp to ensure action (the risk/reward is not the same as with a decent size stack).

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    With a stack just over 4M (605/150 = 4.03) I would have pushed pf w/A-9o (it beats over 1/2 of other possible Ax).
    With A-6o and 2nd chip leader I can see where you could afford it (if UTG & MP1 don't mess it up for ya) but I've stopped being the table cop and my stack is healthier for it as well as better finishes at the final table. Once not that long ago I would have called but not anymore - just got to be too expensive.

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    phil hellmuth had great advice on playing ace-small.

    "try not to lose too much"

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    i fold.

    i call with A9+, considering he (obviously) pushes pf with a9+(he can actually push with ALOT more hands, but most people dont know this) and since he didnt push its reasonable to think that a9 or better is way ahead. plus other people are still in the hand, you really dont want to be messing around with top pair shitty kicker in this spot.

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    i think i call this 99% of the time, and lose the 505 chips

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eclipse86
    i think i call this 99% of the time, and lose the 505 chips
    lol

    honestly though 5 people to the flop even if you have shortie beat somebody has to have a bigger ace behind you than a6. its a fold for sure.

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    You got the first part of it right when you checked . . . . next time fininsh off the play with a FOLD.
    Jason75: Ok, you check and the button bets 400. Now what?
    Beavis68: You play poker.
    Jason75: Darn, I was really hoping for canasta. Maybe Gin.

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    Mixed bag here. First off, I don't like the odds, 2-1 explicit with your whole stack at risk implicit, worst implied odds are that you donk off 500 chips when one of the EP players CR's.

    If you were the CO (for whatever reason you played A6o there), and the short stack was the button, and the action was the same: everybody checks, He pushes, everybody folds, then I think its an OK call, since he could have any two in order to steal the pot. But in the way this falls, there are two major hurdles: The other guys left to act behind you, and He bet into 1 player who has yet to act. This tells me hes got a hand strong enough to handle a call if it comes, or at least hes willing to risk a call. Given his limp, I put him on A2-A9, maybe <88 but I think those push PF. Of the Aces, A2, A7, A8 and A9 beat you, while you beat A3 A4 A5. Since the majority of the hands that he's probably pushing with beat you, you should fold this given the odds.

    equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
    Hand 1: 51.0412 % 39.50% 11.54% { Ac6d }
    Hand 2: 48.9588 % 37.42% 11.54% { 88-22, A9s-A2s, A9o-A2o }

    equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
    Hand 1: 37.7203 % 19.62% 18.10% { Ac6d }
    Hand 2: 62.2797 % 44.18% 18.10% { A9s-A2s, A9o-A2o }

    equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
    Hand 1: 74.4536 % 74.45% 00.00% { Ac6d }
    Hand 2: 25.5464 % 25.55% 00.00% { 88-22 }


    But, if we assume 70% aces and 30% pairs, using the Hand evaluator I made, We only have 42.3% equity in the hand. Even if we use the unweighted equity (51%), the chances of getting smacked from behind kills this break even situatiion.
    Last edited by Marm; 05-14-2006 at 07:11 AM.
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