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Old 05-12-2006, 12:37 PM
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Default Holding JJ ... comments please

2nd hand single table tournament.

Have a feeling I made a right hash of playing this one. Can I have comments on where you think I should have raised, re-raised or folded.

The hand went to a showdown the results of which I will post later.

"STT 2592621 - 1" Seat 4 is the button.

Seat 1: Micklemor (760 in chips)
Seat 2: Mechanic9 (993 in chips)
Seat 3: mutley (835 in chips)
Seat 4: G_jester (970 in chips)
Seat 5: sim555 (955 in chips)
Seat 6: Lettuce7 (1000 in chips)
Seat 7: steveh820 (1000 in chips)
Seat 8: LazyCr (1000 in chips)
Seat 9: Jack26052 (1510 in chips)
Seat 10: chillifan (977 in chips)

sim555: posts small blind 7
Lettuce7: posts big blind 15

----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to G_jester [Jd Jc]

steveh820: raises to 30
LazyCr: folds
Jack26052: raises to 45
chillifan: folds
Micklemor: folds
Mechanic9: folds
mutley: folds
G_jester: calls 45
sim555: folds
Lettuce7: folds
steveh820: raises to 150
Jack26052: calls 105
G_jester: calls 105

----- FLOP ----- [2c 3s 5c]
steveh820: bets 390
Jack26052: calls 390
G_jester: folds
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Old 05-12-2006, 01:06 PM
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I'd say that's an okay fold early in the game. You very well could have gone broke there.

My feeling:
Steve has AK or AQ (of clubs perhaps)
Jack has a big wired pair and when a club doesn't hit on the turn he pushes all in
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Old 05-12-2006, 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by G_The_Jester

"STT 2592621 - 1" Seat 4 is the button.

Seat 1: Micklemor (760 in chips)
Seat 2: Mechanic9 (993 in chips)
Seat 3: mutley (835 in chips)
Seat 4: G_jester (970 in chips)
Seat 5: sim555 (955 in chips)
Seat 6: Lettuce7 (1000 in chips)
Seat 7: steveh820 (1000 in chips)
Seat 8: LazyCr (1000 in chips)
Seat 9: Jack26052 (1510 in chips)
Seat 10: chillifan (977 in chips)

sim555: posts small blind 7
Lettuce7: posts big blind 15

----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to G_jester [ ]

steveh820: raises to 30
LazyCr: folds
Jack26052: raises to 45
chillifan: folds
Micklemor: folds
Mechanic9: folds
mutley: folds
G_jester: calls 45
sim555: folds
Lettuce7: folds
steveh820: raises to 150
Jack26052: calls 105
G_jester: calls 105

----- FLOP ----- [ ]
steveh820: bets 390
Jack26052: calls 390
G_jester: folds
Would have re-raised this to 120. If steve actually has AA, KK or QQ. Id expect a push or large re-raise.... in which case id probaly fold.

If he just calls and then trys to buy pot on flop I might fold or re-raise or push. Its hard to say since its early in this STT and you have no reads on the guy. But since there is already a second caller in this situation, fold is probaly the best bet.

I just think you played your hand a bit weak prefold.
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Old 05-12-2006, 01:08 PM
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I'd fold preflop to a reraise (unless you are playing purely for the set).
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Old 05-12-2006, 01:09 PM
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A min raise and a min reraise to you. Reraiser won the first pot - any info on him? QQ+ is very possible here, but so are a lot of other hands.
I don't necessarily mind playing JJ for set value early in an SnG, but I don't mind getting all my chips in pf either. If you call, commit to playing for set value. 57% of the time the flop contains an overcard to a Jack (A,K,Q). Not good vs. multiple opponents. And any flop that you like (short of set) QQ+ likes anyway. So, most of the time you will be scared of the flop.
I think pf: fold, call, push are all viable options. Personally, I push and hope to double up. If not, on to the next one. Calling is OK, but play for a set. Definitely fold the flop, as you did. Folding preflop is fine, but I usually require a read that an opponent is very solid and there is a good chance he has QQ+.
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At this stage of tournament I think you played perfectly.

There may be times when you are folding to AK betting and 88 calling, but I think you should be playing JJ for set value here. Good Fold.
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Old 05-12-2006, 05:23 PM
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I didn't want to raise after the first reraise this early in the tourney as I didn't want to stir the hornets nest any further, I just wanted to see the flop cheaply without getting all in.

Any weakness show on the flop by the initial raisers and I would probably of all-in.

In hindsight i probably should have saved myself the extra 105 chips on the re-re-raise and folded pre flop.

Anyway the rest of the hand went as follows:

----- TURN ----- [2c 3s 5c][3c]
steveh820: bets 460 and is all-in
Jack26052: calls 460

----- RIVER ----- [2c 3s 5c 3c][Ts]

----- SHOW DOWN -----
steveh820: shows [Kh Ks] (Two Pairs, Kings and Threes, Ten high)
Jack26052: shows [Qd Qh] (Two Pairs, Queens and Threes, Ten high)
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Since the second player only raised 15 more chips to a total of 45 (when you have 970), I don't mind the call and play for set value.

Note that if the second player raises to a larger amount (say 90 or so) I'd fold because you can't cap the action.

When donk #1 only reraises to 150 . . . this is an easy call as you're getting your odds to hit your set. And you know that if you hit, you're stacking both players . . . . .

Note that If I'm donk #1, I'm all in here as fast as possible expecting at least one (and maybe 2 calls).

Easy fold on the flop . . . no set, no bet.
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Old 05-13-2006, 01:46 AM
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At this stage of tournament I think you played perfectly.

There may be times when you are folding to AK betting and 88 calling, but I think you should be playing JJ for set value here. Good Fold.
agreed. At this point in the tourney, with that type of pf action I would be playing this for set value as well.
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