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05-12-2006, 09:28 AM
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Local NLH Tourney - HU Hand
12 Players (2 tables, 6 per), $10, 2,000 starting stack, 10/20 starting blinds, 1/2 hour increase similar to PokerStars schedule, 50/30/20 payout.
The chip leader had busted the last two players, and had nearly a 4:1 lead on me. We had been heads up for about 10 minutes, and he was playing very passive, so I started playing pretty much everything and stealing which pretty much went unopposed. But I could tell that he was starting not to like me pushing him around and I figured he would start playing back.
Blinds 150/300
BB - 19,000
Hero - 5,000
I have 7c 5h. I call 150. BB checks.
Pot = 600. Flop: Jh 5d 3s. He bets 500. A. WHAT DO YOU DO?
I raise to 1,000. He calls 500.
Pot = 2,600. Turn: Jh 5d 3s 9h. He bets 800. B. WHAT DO YOU DO?
I call 800.
Pot = 4,200. River: Jh 5d 3s 9h 3h. He bets 1,600. C. WHAT DO YOU DO?
I fold.
I thought that he was just messing around on the flop and that my hand was good, but when he fired again on the turn - after I had raised the flop - I stumbled a little. I should have taken more time to consider my action, but for some reason I didn't and just called the turn.
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05-12-2006, 11:33 AM
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What's with the blank post?
Ha ha
I either push or fold the flop (though HU is so much about reads that a fold might be the move here)
I fold the turn.
I fold the river again.
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05-12-2006, 11:59 AM
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Let's assume no read here.
You'd raise the flop all in?
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05-12-2006, 12:01 PM
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Quite possibly.
Totally depend on my read on the guy and his read on me.
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05-12-2006, 12:02 PM
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Sorry, you said no read.
I fold the flop.
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05-12-2006, 12:15 PM
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Analyzing HU hands is very tough. So much, IMO, has to do with feel. Momentum, changes in betting patterns, aggression... and a handfull of other factors can dictate play and are difficult to incorporate in a hand analysis.
You had been aggressive and him passive, allowing you to win pots with any cards. You had a "feel" that he would soon take a stand to slow you down. Well, on this hand he may be doing that... just playing aggressive with 2 overs or worse. But he may have actually picked up a hand. I don't stake my tourney life on a guess that he's wised up to playing aggressive (but can't beat a pair of 5s).
I probably call the flop. Its not a lot of chips and it says, "hey buddy, I'm not sure what you're doing. But if you think you can bet at any flop and take it (like I do), then you are mistaken. I think 500 chips can be sacrifised to make this point.
If he comes out firing on the turn, I let it go. I don't want to lose 20%+ of my stack on a pair of fives. But he now feels that he needs to fire 2 bullets to push you off a hand (or bet the flop harder). Perhaps this will allow you to trap him better if/when you flop a monster.
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05-12-2006, 01:37 PM
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Fold or Push. As the short stack you dont have much more choices.
Oh, just a little observation :
In Heads Up I NEVER call as SB. Its either raise or fold
Giving the BB a chance to see a free flop an outrageous mistake ( well I think though I see lot of people do that)
On the flop, do you think your middle pair is good ? If yes you push, If no you fold. You cant play much post-flop HU when you short stacked.
He can have anything
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05-12-2006, 01:58 PM
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HU, I raise every button, and a lot of hands in the BB as well. You need to get your opponent to define his hand quickly . . . .
Particularly when you're so outstacked and short (low M) . . . . you've got to be aggressive here.
If you feel like he's going to start playing back, then it's fight or flight time. If you don't like the hand, fold PF. It's not a crime to fold this hand here.
If you're going to fight, you need to really unload on the flop, not just do a min raise. I'd dump my whole stack in (a call or weak raise commits you to the pot anyways, so just fire everything you've got now while you likely still have outs even if you're behind). . . .He's only 2:1 against to hit the flop, and much worse to have TP. You may be way ahead here.
Once he's called the flop raise, you're all in or fold on the turn (again, look at the stack sizes and the blinds and the size of the pot).
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05-13-2006, 02:20 AM
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if ur gonna raise the flop here.. raise it harder..
flop- bump it up to 1800-2K here. maybe even go all-in considering ur stack size is so small. With a stack size that small its better to just pick a hand pf and push instead.
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05-13-2006, 07:38 AM
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Nightshades
In Heads Up I NEVER call as SB. Its either raise or fold
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why would you fold the sb... you are getting 4:1 on your money with position after the flop.
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