Overall what do you guys think about this.... borderline reckless? I didn't have many hands on this guy 35-40 but so far 23.64/3.64/1.20 WSD 21.4.

PokerStars 0.50/1.00 Hold'em (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: ITH Forums)

Preflop: Hero is BB with , . CO posts a blind of $0.50.
6 folds, CO (poster) checks, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (4 SB) , , (4 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, CO folds, Button folds.

Turn: (3 BB) (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB calls.

River: (7 BB) (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB folds.

Final Pot: 8 BB

The reckless part is waiting until the turn to pop this. Raise the flop. Don't give a cheap card if you think you are ahead.

Ummm..... yeah..... no.....

Either raise or fold the flop. Seriously, what is the point in bringing along the other two guys?

River, damn you got lucky. What the hell could he have that had played like that earlier that doesn't like that river??? 44 is the only hand that makes sense, and that HIGHLY doubtful since you got a 4. TT-JJ..... maybe.....

But yeah, this is a move my wife woulda made.....

Originally Posted by Marm

Ummm..... yeah..... no.....

Either raise or fold the flop. Seriously, what is the point in bringing along the other two guys?

River, damn you got lucky. What the hell could he have that had played like that earlier that doesn't like that river??? 44 is the only hand that makes sense, and that HIGHLY doubtful since you got a 4. TT-JJ..... maybe.....

But yeah, this is a move my wife woulda made.....

If I was SB I would consider playing a club flush draw that way.

good point.

Point taken about raising the flop, makes sense...Anyway this is how my twisted brain was working at the time. My first concern was the button but I can see why raising is best, when he folded I figured I'd see what the turn brought and if my pair was still any good.

With the 9 I figured I can try to represent trips...which I thought he'd reraise me if he had. The river cancelled out my 4's but unless I was about to get check raised I now have the kicker. He tended to not go to the SD alot so IF he thought I did have the full house I thought I can get him to fold to a bet.

I might have been giving too much credit about him being a thinking player.....But I can accept the fact I donked it.

Originally Posted by Pok 7's

Point taken about raising the flop, makes sense...Anyway this is how my twisted brain was working at the time. My first concern was the button but I can see why raising is best, when he folded I figured I'd see what the turn brought and if my pair was still any good.

With the 9 I figured I can try to represent trips...which I thought he'd reraise me if he had. The river cancelled out my 4's but unless I was about to get check raised I now have the kicker. He tended to not go to the SD alot so IF he thought I did have the full house I thought I can get him to fold to a bet.

I might have been giving too much credit about him being a thinking player.....But I can accept the fact I donked it.

If your main concern was the button than that makes rasing even MORE correct. Raising here would still be the best play headsup, but with two other people in the hand it is the only play if you are going to continue the hand as any overcard will make it difficult to play, your only "safe" cards are other 4's or maybe an A, assuming nobody has A9 or A6 already.

I am not trying to be at all harsh, but it is imperitive for your limit hold'em education to understand that not raising this flop is REALLY REALLY REALLY bad, not just a mild donking.

Again, I am not trying to be a dick, just want to stress that this kind of situation is RAISE or FOLD every time. Marginal hand, not many outs to improve, two people behind with position on you for rest of hand, many cards on turn make it very difficult to play on, etc....Calling here is absolutely awful. I really think that alot of people don't realize that overtime you will lose alot more edge in commen situations like this than some of the very nuanced hands that we sometimes post. Those are decisions that come up infrequent so donking them once in awhile doesn't cost much, repeatedly calling on this flop repeated often is a huge edge loss.

^^ I understand what you mean and I appreciate what you're saying. I'm not thinking you're being harsh. Soon as you mentioned not raising the flop I saw why it made more sense with the button still to act.

Originally Posted by Antneye

Can I assume that if villain re-raises our flop riase we would call and then fold UI on the turn?

I would be done there...hell I would've been done if he reraised my turn bet.

This hand was after a brief yo-yo session on Prima where I wound up basically even and still thinking about my run on UB (I went to Stars to boost my confidence for a bit....wound up being +30bb in 40 min :rockpoker ). So I was borderline looser that normal here and just trying to pick a half assed fight....(I know not smart). I'm usually folding in situations like thisI generally don't get too mixed up in marginal hands too often, especially for a small pot...risk/reward factor.