This isn't an Aces thread or even a hold 'em thread. It's an elementary game theory thread. I was making a universal statement by recommending a fold to move up in the money whether it's Stud and you have AAX, Omaha AAXX, or even 2-7 with 2346X.

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Facing two people holding AA doesn't help your stack, but gives Player A a shot to end the tourney and you are 60% to go bust in hold 'em. Stud and Omaha, you're a coin flip or worse. So 50-60% of the time, you go bust on the next hand if you call. The chip disparity is ridiculous and this is the real money.

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Thats exactly what I'm getting at. Alex is correct here(like always)
The best chance for making more real money is folding.

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“There's no sense in being precise when you don't even know what you're talking about.” - John von Neumann

Did you check my math Alex? It is pretty easy to say that folding is best, but let's see your math that proves it. I thought I did a decent job.

I believe the worst case for AA is to be facing two other pair, and you still win 65% of the time.

You call, you go out 3rd 35% of the time, you fold you go out 3rd 65-80% of the time.

Bonch says this is a math problem, so where is the math that shows folding is the best?

There are situations when AA is less than a 60% favorite.
pokenum -h 5s 6s - td th - ac ah
Holdem Hi: 1370754 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
6s 5s 298683 21.79 1069061 77.99 3010 0.22 0.219
Td Th 244169 17.81 1123575 81.97 3010 0.22 0.179
Ac Ah 824892 60.18 542852 39.60 3010 0.22 0.603
Is close but doenst quite make it.

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Actually, it is 60.2%.

The worst case you would be if another players held AA, but you still would never lose more than 27% of the time.

You still havent prove that is it +EV to fold.

Saying: you lose 40% of the time so you have to fold doesnt prove anything.

How about the fact folding gives you a better shot at second than calling? Win this one hand and you have a BB and a half. Big deal. You're toast here anyway. This is definitely a "go out with a whimper" circumstance.

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Alex, prove it, lets see the math. I say calling gives you a 40% chance and folding gives you a 30% chance.

Just because you fold does not mean you get second, you have to make some kind of assumption as to how often player B will win, and I say player B will be the favorite.

And if player B wins you are completely fkd.

"Just because you fold doesn't mean you get second."

I agree.

Winning this one minute hand doesn't guarantee anything either. There is nothing good to expect out of this hand, so sit back and hope. Yes, hope. No math. No strategy. Just hope. You have 100 chips. 100 damn chips and a little bit of hope. You win this and have 600 chips. You're toast. You're done. Throw in the towel.

The only way to guarantee one more hand is to fold. Either way, you're probably gonna finish 3rd with this pathetic "stack." Player B has made a STUPID, STUPID mistake by calling unless he has a premium hand because player C is behind him with nothing. Player B is truly guaranteed second by folding every hand.

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Winning this hand, you actually have 1500 chips. B probably does have a premium hand, and has a good chance of winning the side pot. So let's say you call and triple up and are up to 1500. Player A will have only 3000 now, and might possibly be steaming after the last hand. All you have to do now, is outlast a tilted player, who may go all-in with any two cards to come.

If you can outplay Player A, this is a calling situation.