16K hands PT #'s check up

Pok 7's · #1 (**permalink**) 05-08-2006, 10:15 PM

I was wondering what you guys think about these numbers for .5/1 limit I'm a little over 16K hands so far. For the last 1500 hands I've been runnung horrible playing on UB...hopefull that will change shortly otherwise I'll be calling Stars my home for a while again. I know growlers posted a link for me a little while back on 2+2 that showed stats for IIRC 2/4 and 3/6. Seeing as how this is a lower limit I was just wondering what you guys think so far.

VP$IP - 15.50
VP$IP from SB - 26.02
Folded SB steal - 94.41
Folded BB steal - 65.52
Att. to steal blinds - 18.40
Won $ WSF% - 34.46
Went to SD - 29.46
Won $ at SD - 55.04
PF Raise % - 6.06
Aggy - 2.49

My SD/100 is - 13.6948

Marm · #2 (**permalink**) 05-08-2006, 10:30 PM

Whats your WR? IF it's high then I gotta totally rethink my game.

Marm · #3 (**permalink**) 05-08-2006, 10:34 PM

Here's my numbers over the last 15.7k hands at .5/1

WR 2.75/100
VPIP 17.84
PFR 8.11
AGGRO (w/o PF) 2.55
WTSD 32.9
W$SD 50.7

Folded SB - 67%
Folded BB- 53.4%
Att to steal: 42% (damn Loose players in the blinds force me to keep this number this low, can't bluff the stupid)

W$WSF 33.33% (I think thats cool, 1/3 of the flops I see, I win)

SD/100: 16.2 (dats good)

Marm · #4 (**permalink**) 05-08-2006, 10:43 PM

VP$IP - 15.50 Tight, PLay more from EP, I noticed this while we were at the same tables, I thought you a little tight from EP. But then I only saw a few hundred hands

VP$IP from SB - 26.02 Similar to mine, I havent put much thought into this so I'm not sure what is good, that is so table dependant and how that action has comne around to me if I'm folding AJo in one spot, but I may call with K5s in another.

Folded SB steal - 94.41 WAY tight, Here let me give you a 1/4 bet each round.

Folded BB steal - 65.52 Better, but still tight

Att. to steal blinds - 18.40 Weak! Weak tight!

See, the key words are ATTEMPT to STEAL. Meaning you have to try to bluff.

Won $ WSF% - 34.46 Again, another stat I haven't studied, so I can't say much, but since it is similar to mine, I gotta say good yo!

Went to SD - 29.46
Won $ at SD - 55.04 yay!
PF Raise % - 6.06 Little tight for me, but ok, but given your lack of stealing, I think thats why this is low.
Aggy - 2.49 yeah...... anything over 2 is ok, over 2.5 is good, over 3 is goot, and over 4 is nucking futs

My SD/100 is - 13.6948 This low number comes from your 'overly' tight play, I think If you can loosen up a bit and get more aggressive, you can bump your WR some without sacrificing too much here.

Pok 7's · #5 (**permalink**) 05-08-2006, 11:16 PM

My WR sucks which is why I'm concerned... While I was Bonus whoring (where I was more concerned about getting all my bonus plus my deposit than anything else

) I was only at like .39/100 over about 12K hands.

Then I decided to go back on Stars for a while and in about 2K hands I jumped from .39/100 to about 1.3/100. Last 3 days I opened an accout at UB and I've been getting hammered on UB down about 75BB so now I'm at .83/100

. For some reason I've always done well at Stars...yet I keep playing other sites. I'm half tempted to just play a few more thousand hands to see if I keep doing well there. I just think there might be more dead $ on that site than most....For some reason though when I generally play there I do pretty goot. I had about $110 sitting in there and in a week and a half of play at .5/1 it's just under $300

I know my steal attempts suck...something I've been working on more... I'm not sure how far to push it when I bet the flop and 1 or both blinds are still sticking around...Like you said loose players make it tougher.

The SB thing I know I'm sacrificing some $ also...This is an area I've been giving more thought to...problem I have is I suck at playing from the SB. Seems like the best option against a steal attempt is to 3 bet...but I'm wondering if I'll be loosing more $ that way, because of my post flop play.

Now you mentioned playing looser from EP? I thought it was best to plat tight from there?

Pok 7's · #6 (**permalink**) 05-08-2006, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Marm

Aggy - 2.49 [/b]yeah...... anything over 2 is ok, over 2.5 is good, over 3 is goot

Okay so I'm .01 away from the 2.5 mark......can't we just call it good

Marm · #7 (**permalink**) 05-08-2006, 11:36 PM

yeah thats good.

Well, considering I 've never seen what you were holding, And it could have been just a bad run from EP, I'd say more suited aces and small pairs. They are very playable from there at these limits. You won't get the initial odds from limpers, but you will almost always get paid off in some form.

I have about 25k hands total at this limit, and the first 8-10k I was down $250. It's only recently I turned it around, so I hear your pain.

I think a little looser overall, numuch, but just a little, and more aggression in the blinds will give your WR a little nudge. Go read the recent Blind defense threads (know you have already), and apply that aggression I profess to all 4 spots (CO-BB) in steal situations. Notice how I consider 42% attempts to be LOW? That is because When I noticed Looser players that don't give up PF easily, I lay off the steals. The EV just aint there anymore. I'd prefer to be stealing around 2/3 of the time, but that just aint possible at these limits. The use of HUDS is key here.

Pok 7's · #8 (**permalink**) 05-08-2006, 11:50 PM

Maybe I'll give more suited aces a try....I'll almost always play any PP from EP unless it's 3 bet or capped by the time it gets back to me. Suited aces I tend to hold off on till MP.....Which come to think of it I don't know why I don't because I tend to play any suited bradway cards from EP. I'll start adding suited aces in there more.

LOL here was one of my few attempts tonight against a steal. Button was a TAA 16.13/11.14/2.24/W$SD 38.36??? over a few 100 hands Steal attempt 45.45....Maybe I should've tried a CR on the flop?

Ultimate Bet 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: ITH Forums)

Preflop: Hero is SB with

,

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5 folds, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, Button calls.

Flop: (7 SB)

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(3 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB)

(3 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

River: (6.50 BB)

(3 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

Final Pot: 8.50 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has 8d Jd (two pair, tens and eights).
UTG doesn't show.
Button has Ks 8c (two pair, tens and eights).
Outcome: Button wins 8.50 BB.

Marm · #9 (**permalink**) 05-09-2006, 12:01 AM

Yeah, I'm likng a CR here, but I don't think It'll pry him out of the hand on the flop, You'd have to continue to bet the turn and probably the river before he gives it up. Especially when he sees the second ten, your Flop CR, and the fact the ten doesn't seem to scare you. I think it may have had better success.

But, the way the cards fell, you were screwed by bad luck that he had a better eight. I think you both played it fine though. Not sure about your raise PF though, these types of SC hands i prefer to flat call. Then the flop CR would have carried more weight.

Pok 7's · #10 (**permalink**) 05-09-2006, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Marm

I think a little looser overall, numuch, but just a little, and more aggression in the blinds will give your WR a little nudge. Go read the recent Blind defense threads (know you have already), and apply that aggression I profess to all 4 spots (CO-BB) in steal situations. Notice how I consider 42% attempts to be LOW? That is because When I noticed Looser players that don't give up PF easily, I lay off the steals. The EV just aint there anymore. I'd prefer to be stealing around 2/3 of the time, but that just aint possible at these limits. The use of HUDS is key here.

See I think some of the reasons I might not be a little looser is:

I generally fold unsuited broadway cards everywhere except CO and button unless it KQ or (KJ from MP or later) and I'm never calling cold calling PF raises with them...KQs occasionally. I rarely cold call raises.

I don't defend my SB much because I'll hardly ever cold call a raise. Unless the CO or Button is constantly doing it then I'll 3 bet with just about anything when I decide to make a stand.

My steal attempts (which I have been slowly increasing recently) I sometimes get carried away on usually by betting each street instead of giving up on the flop/turn. So I usually just dump the hand PF unless I know I have at least one rock in the blind.

I've also given some thouught to my W$SD...I'm wondering if I'm tossing away hands before the SD that might be winners. Like when I have middle pairs or just AK or A high on certain boards. Which might be costing me $ also.