I am posting to discuss my flop raise. I feel I could have made more by simply calling, but was afraid of slowplaying and allowing AX (X>3) to hit a higher boat than me.

Calling may keep button in the hand, and also may allow SB to play more agressively on later streets, but I open myself up to losing the pot.

SB mucked so I never saw his holding but I assume he had a mid ace.

Discussion?



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Pre-flop: (10 players) Antneye is CO with
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, 4 folds, Antneye calls, Button calls, SB raises, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, Antneye calls, Button calls.

Flop: (9.52SB, 5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Antneye bets, Button calls, SB raises, 2 folds, Antneye 3-bets, Button folds, SB calls.

Turn: (8.26BB, 2 players)
SB checks, Antneye bets, SB calls.

River: (10.26BB, 2 players)
SB checks, Antneye bets, SB calls.

Results:
Final pot: 12.26BB
Antneye shows 3h 3c

with so many people in the pot, someone probably got a piece of it and i would have probably just raised v small on the flop and then flat called the raise. This hopefully makes it look like im drawing to the nut flush or high flush. I would then raise on the turn and river like you did. Not much wrong with this, so many in the pot a small raise on the flop is likely to get called with a flop like that.

If there is an Ax out there, another bet isn't going to get him to fold; you're just knocking out the people who are drawing dead and don't realize it. I probably would have just called on the flop to try and keep the BB in the pot for another street.

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I'm CDO. It's like OCD, but everying is in order just like it should be.

I think you are right Gir.....I was beating myelf up pretty good after this hand. I didn't think about it this way until after the hand was over.......I was playing really scared. I had been rivered so many times I just wanted to grab my pot.

I would play that hand fast too...

with lotsa draws and some kid having aces never knowing to hit a boat..

u should try and put as many bets as possible

I agree with manguy here, i think you played it as great as you could for it being limit

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The draws that are out there don't beat you. That's exactly why DON'T want to price them out by making them call two bets there. I put the SB on an A - he's not going anywhere. I call to keep the button in the hand and hope he picks up a flush or a straight (if he's dumb enough to be playing cards that low).

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I'm CDO. It's like OCD, but everying is in order just like it should be.

Bottom line here is that it probably didn't matter. Even if you had called, the BB probably would have called meaning the amount of money in after the flop would be the same. It didn't look like the turn would have helped him if he was on a draw, so he probably would have folded to your bet there anyway. The only think that MIGHT have played out differently is that since you didn't reraise the flop the SB may have tried to raise you agian.

Regardless, I don't think the play proably cost you more than one BB one way or the other. Nothing to get too upset about.

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I'm CDO. It's like OCD, but everying is in order just like it should be.

I look at this hand a little differently.
SB raises preflop and then checkraises when the two aces hit.
Means one of three things:
1) He has Ax
2) He has an underpair and wants to see how serious the two of you are to guage whether you have an A. Actually not a bad play becuase I think checkraising here with KK tells you a little more than betting out and getting raised. But I think a good players just mucks KK here. Too many people saw the flop and going to be costly to get to showdown. Someone with KK here is in a very bad spot since it is difficult to know if the other guys have a A or raise the flop to bluff or with a diamond draw.
3) he has two diamonds, like KQs (least likely)

If either SB or other players has neither of these three hands they are leaving regardless of what you do.

Anyway, you can't worry about guy with Ax hitting his x and getting a boat. Anyone with an A at these level isn't going anywhere even if you toss your entire stack out there reraising. If it happens, it happens. So you want to maximize what you get out of other players and SB when they have hands 2 or 3. I think the way to do this is to call the flop checkraise. Ideally a diamond will fall on the turn which will help one of the players. Just calling allows SB to bet out with his underpair which many will do at these levels. Then you can raise and hopefully button will tag along with Ax. If you three bet the flop then they will all fold hands #2 and 3. Again, you'll get your bets out of Ax so try to maximize what you get out of #2 and 3.

I agree that it is not a huge decision, but limit poker is about many repeated edges compounding, so I think it is important to analyze situations like this very carefully to get every edge. You also don't want to miss bets in limit, but I think flatcalling the flop and then pounding turn/river if they let you will be best. By reraising the flop you may win it right there, it is too good of a hand to not get to the turn when the bets double.

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Seems like you are going to win most of the time, and if you didnt, whoever had you beat would make it evident. Since its limit, I would definitely slow it down.

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