This is the 2nd time I was playing this weird live MTT yesterday... The crowd is definately bad, but so unusual for that I really have some concern about how to play them.

1st time, a month ago, I was there with 2 of my friends... good player and 2 of us made the $$$, top 7 was ITM over 70 player if I remember.

This weak we were 6 and 3 of us made the cut... 1st 3rd and 4th... we took over70% of the price pool.

But this time, I went out pretty soon... in the 2nd level of blind.

we start with 6000 chips, blind 50-100 (M40)
6-7 players see every flop... rarely raise PF
Vilain already have around 15000 chips (maybe more)
He clearly have no idea of what he is doing
he broke AA twice already, once with J7o and once with KJo
He saw almost every flop (17/20 or around) and never raised
Blind 100/200
I'm on BB with 9Ts
I have 8000 in chips (won 2 small pots) played 3 hands 2 on the blinds
Vilain on the button

4 limpers
Vilain min raise (oooops... first he raise... he must have something even if this raise is worthless)
SB fold
I call
4 limpers call

Flop A9T rainbow
Nice flop for me... I'm pretty sure vilain have the A and I know that when he flopped 2 pairs with KJ VS AA he reraised all in... so I guess if he have A9 or AT, he will do it again.

I check
cehcked to vilain
he bet 500 (in a 2500 pot!!!!)
I raise it 2K to 2500 1st concern about my hand... please comment
Everybody fold vilain instantly call

Turn 6
I like it pretty much... I doubt he can have 78... but what to do... I probably have the best hand right now, but if I dont, I'm far behind...

I bet 3000 (leaving me with 2200 in chips) again, critic
He calls instantly

I decided to rule out the set possibility... AK and KK are the only 2 possibilities I keep alive! my logic (I'm soooooo not sure about that) He will call an allin bet with an A any way, I'm pretty sure I have no fold equity... and he will call 2200 on the river no mather what the river is. So, if a 6 an A or even a K hit the river, I will still have and M of 7 and be able to come back...

River 6
Nooooooooo!

I check... he checks behind, I show 2 pairs and so he do with AK...

After that hand, I was soooooo pissed! I realize that beside his smallish preflop raise, I would have play the hand the almost same way the fish did.

What should I do?

Push the flop?? (with bottom 2 pairs and 5 active players behind me)
Check the turn?
Push the turn???

In normal game conditions I would have check or push the turn... depending of my read. Chances are good I would put my oponent on a set VS a decent oponent.

I hate to go out so early in a fish plant!

KJ

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Originally Posted by Girevik
Heck, I've seen people go nuts with middle pair!

at some point, flop or turn, you want to get your money in. obviously this guy is going to call you so why are you drawing it out? heres what i do, basically i follow this little rule i like to give myself credit for.

if you want to raise, and you arent going all in, make sure you can leave yourself enough to protect your hand on the turn. (unless you have a near unbeatable hand) basically, if you want to raise him 2000, thats a fine raise, because its about potsize, thus protecting your hand on the flop but making it callable(you can definantly raise more though), then leaving yourself the perfect ammount to push on the turn. sure, he would have called anyway but the game is over, now were talking about the big picture. you break the rule by betting 3k on the turn leaving yourself 2200, imo its a much better play to push the turn, the pot is big enough to take down uncontested.

I do agree! Normaly I push this on turn if my read is AK or KK... But here I was sure (90+%) I could take the last 2200 on the river no mather what the river was.

Sooo.. maybe I should have bet only 1K on turn (very stupid play in normal game conditions)... leaving me with 4200, a much better stack to work with if A, K or 6 hit the river... and still be almost sure he would call any bet on the river...

Or... you are dam right, and I push closing my eyes.

Pushing the flop was almost out of question considering I had 4 active players behind me a set was definately still a big possibilities in my head!

Waiting for other comments...

KJ

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Originally Posted by Girevik
Heck, I've seen people go nuts with middle pair!

When u flop 2 pair on the ace high board, and u put him on a ace when he bets out, you want to play a big pot with him. So with that being said u want to check-raise it harder on the flop - this way it will build the pot alot larger so that it will pot commit him if he calls, and ur bets on the turn/river can be larger and u can take down more chips. The more u check-raise it on the flop, the more u can bet on the turn since the pot will be that much larger.

Basically with this type of hand i would check-raise to 3000-3500 (maybe even more if i have a larger stack). Basically u wanna check-raise high enough so that u can push the turn (without ur turn push looking like a overbet to the value of the potsize). So pretty much raise it so that u will have 75-100% potsize left in ur stack on the turn.
Definately push turn.

With a stack of 8K, a check-raise to 3K on the flop, followed by a push on the turn is what i would have done.