well, in the spirit of my bad run heres a hand, i know what your saying all in on a flush bluff is a bad idea. I put him on ace 10, maybe ace 9, no pre flop raise, i was trying to implore marm's strategy here. The big bet post flop is to get the flush chasers out, prob shoudl of made it 400 or 450.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

CO (t3185)
Button (t980)
SB (t4010)
BB (t2125)
UTG (t1410)
UTG+1 (t2290)
Hero (t1800)
MP2 (t1165)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J, A.
2 folds, Hero calls t50, MP2 calls t50, CO calls t50, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t250) 9, A, 3 (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets t350, MP2 folds, CO calls t350, SB folds, BB folds.

Turn: (t950) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets t1400 (All-In), CO calls t1400.

River: (t3750) 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t3750

Results in white below:
Hero has Jd Ad (one pair, aces).
CO has Kc Tc (flush, ace high).
Outcome: CO wins t3750.

I was asked " why raise so much with 8's" well 8's late at the table was a good hand for me. I was going against 3 ppl 2 of which were the blinds and 1 was a callin station, i prob should of made my preflop bet a little more but who calls 200 more chips to play with what he has?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

SB (t3210)
BB (t1080)
UTG (t2605)
UTG+1 (t1355)
MP1 (t1025)
MP2 (t1410)
MP3 (t2290)
Hero (t2825)
Button (t1165)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 8, 8.
2 folds, MP1 calls t50, 2 folds, Hero raises to t250, 3 folds, MP1 calls t200.

Flop: (t575) 9, 3, Q (2 players)
MP1 bets t775 (All-In), Hero calls t775.

Turn: (t2125) 6 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t2125) 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t2125

Results in white below:
MP1 has Tc Qc (one pair, queens). he called with effing queen 10 suited
Hero has 8h 8s (one pair, eights).
Outcome: MP1 wins t2125.

Hand 1: Limp and go Does not mean limp everything. You need to raise this PF. Any particular reason to push all-in when the ONLY hands that call here, beat you?

Hand 2: Now you're got it backwards. With a limper already in, theres no point in raising. And why the fuck did you call that all-in?

h1: maybe raise preflop. bet all streets. no reason to suspect hes beating you on flop.

h2; pf; limp or raise i dont really care. how can you call flop? shortstack all in like that means he prolly has better than A high. i fold flop

If a player is willing to limp with QTs when he's only got an M of 20 (20 big bets in theis case), then he's probably the type to call a raise with it too.

Let's ignore the other players at the table. You are trying to push the blame onto the other players for their bad play. their bad play is a good thing. It's your bad play which is the bad thing.

You limp/opened with a strong hand, yet you raised a limper with a subpar hand. Lets ignore the rest of the hands until you understand these two MAJOR errors.

Originally Posted by obga

so 8's late, no good,

not true. Think about where a mid-pair's strength lies. You have somebody, with not a huge stack, who limped early. this means He is interested in his hand, and probably not willing to fold to a 'decent' raise. You also have a few players behind you yet to act, and could reraise it. You are looking to flop a set or an overpair to the flop. Now if you were the first to open the pot from LP, I think this raise is perfect. A hands value is very dynamic, and is relative to the dozens (hundreds?) of variables that make up a hand.

but ace jack suited rasie, how big of a raise, there are a few hands that could of beat me preflop. AQ AK or am i over analyzing to much

About the size you did with your 8's is fine, usually 3-5 bb's, but you shoudl have a feel for what is 'normal' for each table you play on. Sometimes a 1-2 bb raise will take most post, sometimes 8-10. But usually 3-5 is plenty good. It doesn't leave you committed, and you usually put yourself up against hands that aren't very live. Meaning: 78s, 55, etc will usually fold to an EP raise, leaving only mid-big pairs and other aces. With AJs, a tricky hand, you really don't want to get into a big battle with a Ace on the flop, so taking down the pot PF is a fine solution.