Top set limit hand - help please?

**growlers** · 05-04-2006

Live game - $4-8 with a 1/2 kill, kill in effect this hand so it's really $6-12. No particular read on villian but he was old, and this was in afternoon, and the ~80% accurate stereotype on the afternoon old ones is that they don't play with you without a hand. I had no particular table image.

The kill was posted by the button.

I am in MP with

Fold / fold / fold and I raise to $12.
Everyone including the kill folds to the BB who calls the $6.

Flop:

BB checks, I check.

Turn:

BB leads $12, I raise to $24, old guy scowls and calls.

River:

Old guy checks, I ??????

Feel free to blast away about the flop but I truly felt at the time it was the only way to get any money out of this hand. But I still would like to hear dissenters or laudations of each street as well as the river play here. Thanks.

**obga** · 05-04-2006

i think you should of atleast bet 2/3's the pot on the flop

you set yourself up for disaster letting them a free card, now if hes a donk hes chasing an inside straight with a j or k j or any of those combos, hell he might have 6's, what happen with this hand?

**Antneye** · 05-04-2006

obga....this is limit...not no limit.

i don't mind the flop check, similar to my 7's from yesterday...but it's dangerous. This board is ripe for a strt draw. I think with 4 to a strt and 3 flush you have to check behind here. Is he really calling if he missed his draw?

**11 11** · 05-04-2006

Hmm check behind...what's calling you here that you have beat? and you arent making a better hand fold.

**Phytopath** · 05-04-2006

It's an innocent looking board, I would always bet out on the flop here after raising PF. He could easily think you had a big ace, he may have been trying to check raise you. He may well call the one bet on the flop with Ax or whatever, when he wouldn't call your turn bet. I never check through a big hand in limit, I smooth call a fair bit and check raise alot but even heads up I am not a fan of checking a hand through.

Turn very standard

river thats a really shitty card, I think you can go by his body language here too. I'd probably bet it out and call if he raised.

I play very ABC poker live, my usual 4/8 full kill game is very Loose and extremely passive. Your game sounds a little more difficult.

**Phytopath** · 05-04-2006

Originally Posted by 11 11

Hmm check behind...what's calling you here that you have beat? and you arent making a better hand fold.

AT, A7, A8, T7, T8, T9, 88, 77, 22, 99, 55

I wouldn't be overly worried about a flush here since he didn't bet the flop and instead bet the turn, a straight is obviously the bigger worry.

**Antneye** · 05-04-2006

true phyto...I missed that. Big difference from the 7's. I called instead of raising. Here we check behind. On second thought I may prefer to fire here and hope he peels one off........

**Antneye** · 05-04-2006

Originally Posted by Phytopath

AT, A7, A8, T7, T8, T9, 88, 77, 22, 99, 55

I wouldn't be overly worried about a flush here since he didn't bet the flop and instead bet the turn, a straight is obviously the bigger worry.

AT? You think he was going for check raise on flop? Missed his chance and scowled because now he thinks we hit our strt? hmmmmmmm. Would he really do that?

This is like a mystery novel.....the scowl was thrown in for some reason.....it's a clue damnit!

**Marm** · 05-04-2006

I'm really thinking ATs or A8s.

We have a tight ass old timer, Kill hand, who just called a raise from the BB (which means he posted, at least this is how we do it, 1/2 of the Small bet, and now he has to call 1.5 small bets here), He's got to have something on the turn. I think if he had the str8 or flush he would bet out here on the river, so that he doesn't lose a bet if you check. I think I like betting this river.

**KRE8R** · 05-04-2006

Originally Posted by Marm

I'm really thinking ATs or A8s.

We have a tight ass old timer, Kill hand, who just called a raise from the BB (which means he posted, at least this is how we do it, 1/2 of the Small bet, and now he has to call 1.5 small bets here), He's got to have something on the turn. I think if he had the str8 or flush he would bet out here on the river, so that he doesn't lose a bet if you check. I think I like betting this river.

I totally agree with Marm except that I can also see A7s in the mix. He may have hit second pair and decided to check and see what you do. When you didnt bet and a harmless looking eight came on the turn, he tried to bet and take the pot there. When you raised he maybe thought a bluff, and called hoping for an A or 7 on the river. When it didnt come he checked so as not to lose anymore money. Just a guess.

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