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  1. #1
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    Default TT on 1st and last hands

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: ITH Forums)

    Button (t1500)
    SB (t1500)
    BB (t1500)
    UTG (t1500)
    UTG+1 (t1500)
    Hero (t1500)
    MP1 (t1500)
    MP2 (t1500)
    MP3 (t1500)
    CO (t1500)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with , .
    2 folds, Hero calls t20, 1 fold, MP2 raises to t120, 5 folds, Hero raises to t280, MP2 raises to t440, Hero folds.

    Final Pot: t750

    Results in white below:
    No showdown. MP2 wins t750.


    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: ITH Forums)

    SB (t1380)
    BB (t1655)
    UTG (t1805)
    Hero (t930)
    CO (t4655)
    Button (t4575)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with , .
    UTG calls t150, Hero raises to t930, 1 fold, Button calls t930, 1 fold, BB calls t780, UTG folds.

    Flop: (t3015) , , (3 players)
    BB bets t725 (All-In), Button calls t725.

    Turn: (t4465) (3 players, 1 all-in)

    River: (t4465) (3 players, 1 all-in)

    Final Pot: t4465

    Results in white below:
    BB has 3d 3h (three of a kind, threes).
    Hero has Ts Th (one pair, tens).
    Button has 9h Jd (one pair, nines).
    Outcome: BB wins t4465.


    Good fold? Good push?
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    no...call instead, yes

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    Hand #1- why the reraise? Either you think your ahead and should push or you should flat call and look to hit a set.
    Hand #2 - I'd push here in a second.

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    1st hand, re-raising is not a good idea.

    2nd hand, definately fold you know for sure. You are short stacked and you'll definately get a better spot, you know if you push you'll get called by an underpair and they'll hit their 2 outer.

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    2nd hand: Yeah I know, easy push. Just posted it because it made for a nice storyline for the post - 1st & last hand the same. Can you frickin' believe the BB calling half his stack w/ 33 and then pushing into a dry side pot with that flop? WTF?

    1st hand: OK, I may have donked this. Limp from UTG+2 I'll do every time with no reads on the table. Play for set value vs. multiple opponents. But when MP2 made the big raise (6bb) I became isolated against him.
    My thoughts:
    I could fold. Don't mix it up too much with a middle pair on the first hand.
    I could push. Nearly did this. Thought, screw it... either double up quick or move to the next tourney.
    I could call. Problem with this is that I didn't know if I was against a big A or a higher pair or a maniac. If I play for set value here, it costs me 100 chips. I'll get a T on the flop 12% of the time and no guarantee that I double up. I just wasn't crazy about my implied odds here.
    So I raised. My thinking behind the raise is this: Most players at this level will come over the top with JJ-AA and maybe AK. Most, IMO, will call my reraise with AQ-Ax, KQ or 55-99. If he had called my raise, I would have played aggressive on any flop without an Ace. If an ace hit the flop I would have bailed.
    But of course, he didn't call my reraise, he min-raised. Min-raise was a red flag for me. He wasn't trying to push me out, he was trying to string me along. At this point I felt strongly that he had JJ-AA and not AK. Without knowing anything about this guy, I figured that I was most likely a big underdog and I folded.

    I'm probably in the minority with this thinking, but I'd like to hear more thoughts.
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    hand 2 is good push - bad play by BB, he got lucks

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    On hand one after the min re-raise you put him on JJ-AA? Assuming your correct (he's not just maniac). Your still getting about 1:4 direct odds and silly implied odds if you flop a set. I guess the problem is if you miss your down 1/3 of your stack on the first hand.

    I still think the best play is flat calling the raise, but I'm much more cofident in my post-flop skills. Harrington talks about how players are usually good pre-flop or post, I'm definatly the latter so I usually look to keep things cheap before the flop. But If I were better at making pre-flop decisions, I could see your arguement for the re-raise to find out where your at.

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