thoughts? (mods can u move this over to poker strategy)

**Eclipse86** · 05-03-2006

need some feedback on these 2 hands:
(converter not working for me, sorry) - i will edit it later when it starts working again.

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Hand #31513892-5 at Wed2amA-011 (No Limit tournament Hold'em)
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Started at 03/May/06 02:05:42

katilee is at seat 0 with 1820.
davinch is at seat 1 with 1580.
aderosa25 is at seat 2 with 1295.
Eclipse2005 is at seat 3 with 1405.
Acetronaught is at seat 4 with 1445.
UB Sniper is at seat 5 with 1500.
davo751 is at seat 6 with 1490.
bubba tom is at seat 7 with 1470.
hbomb43 is at seat 8 with 1500.
Callen325 is at seat 9 with 1495.
The button is at seat 2.

Eclipse2005 posts the small blind of 5.
Acetronaught posts the big blind of 10.

katilee: -- --
davinch: -- --
aderosa25: -- --
Eclipse2005: 9h Jc
Acetronaught: -- --
UB Sniper: -- --
davo751: -- --
bubba tom: -- --
hbomb43: -- --
Callen325: -- --

Pre-flop:

UB Sniper folds. davo751 calls. bubba tom folds.
hbomb43 folds. Callen325 folds. katilee calls.
davinch calls. aderosa25 folds. Eclipse2005 calls.
Acetronaught checks.

Flop (board: 9c 2d 9d): ---> potsize is 50

Eclipse2005 checks. Acetronaught bets 50. davo751
calls. katilee raises to 100. davinch folds.
Eclipse2005 goes all-in for 1395.

Hand #2:
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Hand #31513892-22 at Wed2amA-011 (No Limit tournament Hold'em)
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Started at 03/May/06 02:21:19

katilee is at seat 0 with 255.
davinch is at seat 1 with 1530.
aderosa25 is at seat 2 with 1955.
Eclipse2005 is at seat 3 with 2980.
Acetronaught is at seat 4 with 2745.
UB Sniper is at seat 5 with 1455.
davo751 is at seat 6 with 1275.
tripjacks_77 is at seat 7 with 1825.
hbomb43 is at seat 8 with 1580.
Callen325 is at seat 9 with 1225.
The button is at seat 9.

katilee posts the small blind of 10.
davinch posts the big blind of 20.

katilee: -- --
davinch: -- --
aderosa25: -- --
Eclipse2005: Tc 3c
Acetronaught: -- --
UB Sniper: -- --
davo751: -- --
tripjacks_77: -- --
hbomb43: -- --
Callen325: -- --

Pre-flop:

aderosa25 folds. Eclipse2005 calls. Acetronaught
folds. UB Sniper folds. davo751 calls.
tripjacks_77 folds. hbomb43 folds. Callen325 calls.
katilee calls. davinch checks.

Flop (board: 8c 7c Jh): -----> Potsize is 100

katilee bets 100. davinch calls. Eclipse2005 goes
all-in for 2960. davo751 goes all-in for 1255.
Callen325 folds. katilee goes all-in for 235.
davinch goes all-in for 1510. Eclipse2005 is returned
1450 (uncalled).

**Mr.McJ** · 05-03-2006

Second hand...why would you call from UTG+1 with 10/3 suited?

**ypsieast** · 05-03-2006

1st hand:
IMO, perfect. If someone has 22, A9, K9 or Q9 so be it. More likely they have FD or pocket pair, maybe 9x (x<J).

2nd hand:
agree fold pf. Don't like the push. You risk 1/2 your stack for 200 chips. Any caller (other than shortie) likely has you beat right now.

**Irexes** · 05-03-2006

1st hand - fine the way you played and I'd often do the same, though sometimes I would call on the flop and look to dodge the flush and double up or better on the turn (I'm assuming MTT here), if I get done by the flush draw then I might get away from it. Also there's a possibility that the initial raiser reraises over the top. It's a slightly more risky play but I'm in good shape to get creative here to build a stack.

2nd hand - horrible.

**Eclipse86** · 05-03-2006

Originally Posted by Mr.McJ

Second hand...why would you call from UTG+1 with 10/3 suited?

in early stages of tourney, if i have over 60BBs. I will play everything and try to see a flop, as long as it goes unraised pf

**Mr.McJ** · 05-03-2006

Originally Posted by Eclipse86

in early stages of tourney, if i have over 60BBs. I will play everything and try to see a flop, as long as it goes unraised pf

I like to do the same but even I have standards. lol.
I could see limping from LP with almost any 2 suited cards but from EP?

**Irexes** · 05-03-2006

Originally Posted by Eclipse86

in early stages of tourney, if i have over 60BBs. I will play everything and try to see a flop, as long as it goes unraised pf

Still terrible. What flop are you hoping for?

You're going to bust out playing that kind of nonsense a lot more than you are going to double up (as evidenced by the push on the flop).

**Eclipse86** · 05-03-2006

Originally Posted by Irexes

Still terrible. What flop are you hoping for?

You're going to bust out playing that kind of nonsense a lot more than you are going to double up (as evidenced by the push on the flop).

basically just looking for 2 pair (which i would play as TPTK), trips, or a good draw like the one i flopped.
The way i see the PF play here is that gaining chips at this point is alot more important then keeping that 20 chips.
Is this the wrong thinking?

Also i trust my postflop playing skills enough to play these bullshit hands.
I know it may seem wrong to limp from EP with T3s. But as of late I have been trying out many different styles to play early stages of tourneys. And believe it or not, limping with every single hand is not that bad - just as long as u know what ur doing postflop.

Also i agree that my push on the flop with T3 was a shitty play, which is why i posted to see what u guys thought. However the results shocked me - i will post results later today.

**the alex** · 05-03-2006

Originally Posted by Eclipse86

in early stages of tourney, if i have over 60BBs. I will play everything and try to see a flop, as long as it goes unraised pf

This is a good approach, but the execution is kamikaze. When you add folding equity, you're an estimated 55-60% chance to win the hand or split the pot. That's not worth losing your strength so early.

The advantage to playing looser with a a lot of chips early is when you make your hand, you can win big pots or steal small pots. In either case, you wanna play small poker. I'm not saying to be passive, but your small bets will mean a lot as people will be scared of getting check-raised and you give yourself an out if your opponent has a big hand. They'll show their strength to you with a ridiculous re-raise.

What I'm saying is that when you have a lot of chips, you have a lot of control and big betting is mistaken interpreted as controlling. Aggression doesn't need to be large, it just needs to be present when you have a lot of chips to take control.

If you have a blood deficiency, you don't run up one guy and stab them with a syringe. You gotta bleed people slowly to keep them bleeding.

**Irexes** · 05-03-2006

Though you wouldn't get me playing T3s it's not the playing of less than premium hands early that I find worrying it's the misplaying of them post-flop that's the danger as Alex says.

When the blinds are tiny then 46, K9, 96 etc can be great hands to spike a flop with and make a bundle, but I like some sort of position and also prefer limpers ahead of me to improve the implied odds if I hit.

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