Villian is a LPP 47/4.7/0.60 aggy. I only have about 125 hands on this guy but PT rates him as a fish. Wondering what you guys think about the play here.
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Preflop: Hero is Button with,
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UTG calls, 2 folds, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, UTG 3-bets, MP2 calls, Hero caps, UTG calls, MP2 calls.
Flop: (13.50 SB),
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(3 players)
UTG bets, MP2 calls, Hero raises, UTG 3-bets, MP2 folds, Hero caps, UTG calls.
Turn: (11.25 BB)(2 players)
UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG calls.
River: (15.25 BB)(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.
Final Pot: 15.25 BB
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Thread: Limit AK hand
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05-02-2006 #1
Limit AK hand
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05-02-2006 #2
I think when these passive types check the river they are scared to death. I probably bet this river.
I have to admit that I am a little lost on what he has......limp re-raise pf....very aggressive on flop............slows down to your raise on turn....checks river.
Did he also have ak without a spade?
I typically think of high pp's with a limp re-raise...but aces are out because he would have the nut flush......kk? i cant see him being so aggro with an ace out there. Would he have really limp re-raised with 88 or 99?
I am confused.
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05-02-2006 #3
Well my initial read is he hit a set of nines. Yeah I think a lot of fishies will limp/raise with 99, he's seen rounders too many times ("That is a position Raise"). Or maybe he's trying to get rid of MP2. BUT, also AJish is pheasible too.
I'm capping this flop, and I'm raising the turn, as you did. His flat call on the turn tells me he no longer likes his hand as much, but guys this passive would do this with a set of nines.
Now on the river, I think a bet is possibly +EV. If he has a set, he might fold this because he can't have the flush, and he figures nobody will bet into another unknown unless they have something worth betting (Yes, fish don't think, but sometimes they do see the obvious, and a board this scary has to tell them something). And if hes got an ace, he might not have a spade. But I'm not really sure if it is worth betting. In fact, I like the check.Marm is back, maybe. Been off for 3 years. Rusty as Hell.
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05-02-2006 #4PokerForums God
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I am with marm.
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05-02-2006 #5
im guessing this guy has a hand like AQs (2 red cards)
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05-03-2006 #6
I think you played it exactly right. I would have checked the river as well. He is not laying down anything here and I think you are beat so save your money.
A side note:
I will tell you that it has been my experience that limp reraisers in LIVE limit play always have AA or KK. In >500 (?) hours of live play this has never been wrong. In live these hands come around so little because you are only getting ~35 hands per hour people like to do this to avoid everyone folding to a raise. Stupid, but they do it.
Now online you play more hands and run into alot more nutjobs but it is still usually AA KK QQ. I would have put this guy on AA but that would mean he has the A of spades, you think he would bet the river. AA? It sounds nuts, but this guy's AF is so low that maybe he thought you made the flush on the turn and wants to checkraise river???
I am confused as well as to what he has but I think you played it perfectly.
Originally Posted by Beavis68
Originally Posted by backdoor
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05-03-2006 #7Poker Hustler
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1st I certainly wouldn't cap this hand PF, against a limp raise re-raise I find that 75% of the time this means aces. Some donkeys do it with AKs, AQs, KK or QQ aswell, and some do it just for fun especially if they think it will be capped anyway.
Flop, the fact that LRR boy bet probably means he doesn't have AA. People who LRR don't typically bet out top set. The fact that he bet out with an A on the board to me also tells me he doesn't have KK, especially if he is passive.
My guess is he has either AK or AQ and may or may not have a spade here, I think the river check through is definately mandatory. He probably isn't folding a worse hand that you and it is quite unlikely he is calling with the second best hand here. He may have AQ, but there is a 75% chance he also holds a spade if he has that hand.
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05-03-2006 #8
Well I wouldn't have thought he'd call/raise with 99 but.. that read was correct. I originally put him on a big pair, AK, or AKs, I figured AA was out on the turn because he slowed down even with 3 to a flush out I figured he'd 3 bet. So I was thinking KK possibly QQ (because people think you're supposed to win and a LPP rarely throws them away). I was mostly thinking this could probably be a split pot on the river if he also held AK assuming he didn't hold a spade, and if he did have any spade seeing as how I was aggressive the whole way might be thinking of trying a CR on the river. Either way, like growlers said I doubt he'd fold for 1 more bet here.
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05-03-2006 #9
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05-03-2006 #10
With a limp reraise preflop? Now THAT I've never seen with A3 A4.
Originally Posted by pates
Originally Posted by Beavis68
Originally Posted by backdoor
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