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Thread: The Overbet

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    Stu Ungar Mr.McJ's Avatar
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    Default The Overbet

    If you have absolutely no read on your opponent, what do you assume an overbet means? I often find myself thinking that the person just doesn't want a call and will usually call them with marginal hands. Sometimes I'm right, sometimes I'm wrong.

    How should I interpret an overbet when I don't have a read on my opponent? Should I assume it means he's strong and get out of the hand? Should I only assume that an overbet means weakness when I've seen my opponent show down a weak hand after making an overbet? What do you guys think?

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    ya...this is one of the trickiest parts of no limit he

    it really does depend on reads...but if you dont have any...then u got no clue.

    so i usually lay down until i find out more about him.

    but then on the other hand...sometimes you can just tell when hes bluffing and if you have enough reasoning and a pretty good chance of having the best hand. just call...

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    depensd what level you're playing at, usually overbets don't want calls but sometimes at low levels people over bet wanting calls but don't realise they're not giving the person pot odds.

    I sometimes overbet on purpose with the nuts if iknow the person is likely to call thinking im bluffing or is on tilt ot whatever.. sometimes it jst depends on what kinda of person you're playing

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    i agree about the people not knowing part. Occasionally i will play with someone who is not familiar with any sort of math involved and does not know the correct amount to bet in a given situation. they will usually bet over the bot thinking it is just a normal but decent sized bet that i will probly call, and again they will call an overbet of the bot with no pair no draw no read, just to gamble and not think about it. I say you can lay down hands to an overbet until you find out if it is a fish or a real player, and then eventually you can decided what their overbets mean.

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    In my Sit-&-Gos I run into both types. The first being the person who overbets because they are bluffing or semibluffing and dont want a call, and the second the one who overbets with a very good hand hoping I will call or go all in or something.
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    This is really generalising but...

    On a board of J75 rainbow an overbet often means JQ-JT ie. Top pair, weak kicker.

    If you get an overbet on a board of

    743 I'd lay money it's 88-TT to defend against the overcard on the turn.

    If there's a flush or straight draw then it can often mean TPTK.


    As I say it's generalising but if a board comes Q69 and someone who limped overbets then I'm thinking QJ as my default position and basing my decisions on that.

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    I think the size of the pot is an important factor too, if 3 limpers see a flop with the BB and someone overbets, I'll lay down most hands in an instant and smile b/c I know eventually they'll overbet when I have a monster.
    But if the pot is bigger, its (obviously) more likely someone is making a move at it.

    When I over bet its usually because I have a strong hand on a scary board, especially if I know the players I'm playing will draw against odds.

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    This thread proved usefull for me tonite , 3x i was against good players and Flopped TPTK bet third of pot, got called, I way overbet the turn and 3 times after they though for awhile i got called by TP small kicker , TP decent kicker , and Mid pair A kicker.

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    (BTW, still in NY, just have some time to kill in front of a computer) . . .

    The definition of no read is just that . . . we have no read. This guy could be the type to go all in when he hits his hand (the "holy shit I'd better get all my money in" mentality), or he could be the I've watched too much TV poker type who thinks you win by making audacious bluffs at every pot. There's no way to know, so if you don't have a very strong hand the first time it happens . . . then just lay it down.

    This is why I really like my strategy in SNGs . . . . either you have a monster or you go away when the blinds are low-moderate, then I switch to a mostly stealing strategy with the occasional big hand.

    Early on in a SNG, I really don't have to read these guys. I've either got a hand I'm going to go all in with PF or on the flop, or I don't. If I'm ready to go all in, then I'm likely way ahead (with occasional exceptions like KK vs. AA pf, the extremely rare set vs. overset, etc.).

    But you have to ask yourself before you call . . . . what is my advantage here? Poker is a game of situations . . . . and if you think you're in a situation in which you do not have the advantage, I think the right play is to get out of that situation. You have to accept that it's ok to be bluffed out of pots . . . even expect it. You're not there to win every pot, just a couple of big ones.

    Now, in MTT world, you have to be able to win small pots. You do this by - now bear with me here - keeping the pot small. What does that mean? It means when you have a medium strength hand, you don't make big PF raises, and you don't make big bets or raises with no folding equity. By keeping pots small with medium strength and drawing hands, you allow yourself to walk away from the pot when your opponent way overbets by jumping all in.

    Now if an opponent whom I don't have a read on keeps jumping all in at me because he realizes I'll lay the hand down (this happens to me in MTTs when a medium to weak opponent thinks he can just push me around after seeing me lay down several hands), then you need to be able to trap this opponent when you hit a real hand (and I'd reduce my calling standards PF accordingly).
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