I didn't say you want a call. Im saying the bet is only going to be called when you are behind, but even a smaller bet will win you the pot.

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Look at it this way, how many better hands are you making fold?
How many worse hands are going to call a push?

You make the same amount wheher you check it down or bet and they fold. Most likely they will fold to any bet or call any bet depending on their hand.

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I bet the pot becuase i wanted to take away his odds incase he had a highish club and was drawing to a flush, i dont want to lose the pot becuase i let him draw by not betting when i am ahead. is this the correct way to be thinking?

BTW i meant i raised 4x the BB (240 + the 60 BB)

On the turn there is 1800 in the pot, if you bet 600, you are giving him 4:1 odds, pleny enough for a call from Kc or Qc, and you will only have 500 left.

On the flop, 600 in the pot, a bet of 300 is giving 3:1 odds, still enough to get a call with implied odds.

How many worse hands will fold? I would be betting thinking I had the best hand, and some may fold fearing the flush.

How many worse hands will call? I don't want a worse hand to call!

So the answers are, I don't care, and I don't care.

Raise 3X the BB pre-flop. Bet the pot on the flop. If he raises, then fold. Since he called, I'd put him on a pair with the flush draw.

Now, the debate begins on the turn. I push here. Saying that only hands that beat you will call is correct, but that is what it it almost everytime you go all-in. If your all-in bet is large, you are only going to get called when beat. So, really the club didn't hit. A push there puts him to the test. Does he want to call with the draw? If he folds, you still pick up a nice pot. You don't want him getting odds to call going to the river.

We want Qc calling here.

Why do you want Qc calling?

Why not? With only one card to come and 9 outs? And those are unseen outs. That is not a good call for all his chips on a draw.

Maybe I am wrong. But I don't know.

Holdem Hi: 44 enumerated boards containing 4s Ac 5c 4c
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Qs 34 77.27 10 22.73 0 0.00 0.773
Qc Qh 10 22.73 34 77.27 0 0.00 0.227

Even if we give him the pocket pair plus club draw, we are still a huge favorite. If I give him the Kc:

Holdem Hi: 44 enumerated boards containing 4s Ac 5c 4c
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Qs 33 75.00 11 25.00 0 0.00 0.750
Kc Kh 11 25.00 33 75.00 0 0.00 0.250

In a ring game an opponent making an incorrect call with only help you. In a SnG its n ot quite the same. Sure he will lose in the long run, but winning a small pot every time will work out better than winning a large pot 3 times and going broke once

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All right, thank you for explaining.

wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong!

starting chips were 2000 and i had around 1800 after missing a few flops.
not sure if you really meant a few flops or not or if it was 1 hand. early of a s/g you should only be limping with pps or raising with AQ+

???? you have the best hand he is drawing, why would you want to see the turn cheap????

good bet especially on that flop.

?????? pushing on the river is absolutely retarded. you will only get called on the river when you are beat. pushing the turn is the only time to push so a flush draw will call.

good boy


or ace rag? or Kxc? or ace w/ club?
only 2 possible sets on this board. like ive said earlier i suck at math, but either 44, 55, a flopped flush, AK(open limped though) or 2 pair? the 2 pps hitting 2 outters gotta be low. a flopped flush is like 1%? 2 pair with the ace already gone is like 2%?
cant be too high of any hands beating you. you are good here at least 90%, but will get called a lot more especially at these low buy in s/gs

you can not give a free card here!!@!@!@! even if he has a club or doesnt you can call the river bet which is automatic since he tried protecting his hand with a nice bet on the flop

great bet keep up the good work

we dont really want Qc calling but we want Qc calling a push and not getting a free card

bonch dont fucking touch this post