Now, obviously my opponent blew it by continually calling me here with the hand he had, but did I just get lucky, or were my betting patterns ok? By the time the river came, I just pushed the rest of my chips in because I figured he would call anything and I didn't have enough to keep playing competitively anyway. (I know not just going all-in on the turn was pretty stupid, considering it was only 230 more into a pot of 1305, but I am looking for analysis on my PF to flop play.)

Also, as for reads, I had just been transferred to this table (was a 27 seated Sit and Go), so I had nothing on the other players.


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

SB (t1500)
BB (t1460)
UTG (t1685)
UTG+1 (t3005)
MP1 (t1985)
MP2 (t1070)
Hero (t1130)
Button (t3095)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A, T.
2 folds, MP1 calls t30, MP2 raises to t90, Hero raises to t180, 3 folds, MP1 calls t150, MP2 calls t90.

Flop: (t585) K, J, 9 (3 players)
MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets t360, MP1 folds, MP2 calls t360.

Turn: (t1305) A (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets t360, MP2 calls t360.

River: (t2025) 7 (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets t230 (All-In), MP2 calls t170 (All-In).

Final Pot: t2425

Oh, I guess the converter didn;t pick up his hand. He showed down with A8 and I took the pot.

Preflop fold, definately don't raise for the love of god.

The flop bet makes no sense either.

fold pf.

otherwise, just call PF.

but dont ever, EVER re-raise PF

thank u

But why would I check it away? I had the gutshot straight draw (longshot, I hear you) and wanted to play the aggressor. If I see a raise, I do admit, I'm out right there, but what is a proper bet to see where you stand right there? A lot of good things could happen on the turn for me in this spot.

What is wrong with the preflop raise if I am trying to set a table image and see where I am at in the 2nd hand at a new table?

I'm going to get in first and be gentle, others may be less so.

Your play here is enough for me to label you as a fish if I was at a table with you. That's the image you create by min raising a worthless pot with ATo and then potting a multiway pot that someone's probably connected with, with only a gutshot and a prayer.

ATo has a role in decent play but is a victim hand when played off it's preflop strength.

I'm not worried about being 'blasted' on the internet for a poker hand, so the fish comments won't bother me if others do choose, as you said they may, to come in here and try to be less gentle. To be honest, I find being labeled as a fish by others is probably a lot more profitable than not being labled one.

Now, as for your other comments, this is what I am looking for. Some actual thoughts to the plays other than 'Do this, trust me, jsut do it, guy' or 'That was dumb, that's all I will say'

Now, Irexes, why do you say this pot is worthless? Even if I had a worse hand than ATo and made a play at it just to see what happens at a new table, isn't that giving me worth aside from the actual chips in the pot? I'm not stupid enough to tell you that any play is good if you win, because that is ridiculous, but isn;t any play good if you are getting infromation out of it?

I can see what you are saying on the PF raise, in fact, if I had to do it again, I would have just called (I would not have folded, however), but as for the bet on the flop, these two looked willing to check it away. Obviously, a bet here is asking for a trap, and like I said before, any raise to me has me fold right away, but I don't see the problem with a little probe bet here, unless you are saying it was simply too big. ANd if that is all you are saying, my defense to the size of the bet could be that I was just trying to take it down right here.

Anyway, basically I am saying thanks for the actual reply Irexes, and not just saying I am stupid with nothing else. And I appreciate any other replies meant to help me, not to just post a one liner in agreement with everyone else in the topic.

[QUOTE=redfoster]I'm not worried about being 'blasted' on the internet for a poker hand, so the fish comments won't bother me if others do choose, as you said they may, to come in here and try to be less gentle. To be honest, I find being labeled as a fish by others is probably a lot more profitable than not being labled one.

Originally Posted by redfoster

Now, Irexes, why do you say this pot is worthless?

Because winning it preflop will not improve your chance of making the cash. Getting involved versus AK-AJ and hitting the A will probably end your tourney. If you connect with the flop in any way and get action if you bet it's probably because you are beat.

Very rarely you will flop two pair or the straight, but it's not worth artificially boosting the pot preflop for this.

Originally Posted by redfoster

Even if I had a worse hand than ATo and made a play at it just to see what happens at a new table, isn't that giving me worth aside from the actual chips in the pot?

No. You are giving away more information about yourself than you are gaining. "Just to see what happens" is fish talk. There's merit in gaining information but a minimum raise is just going to get limpers to call it's not going to find out anything. I'm not advocating a bigger raise just saying a minraise is pointless as limpers have the odds to call with whatever they have.

Originally Posted by redfoster

I'm not stupid enough to tell you that any play is good if you win, because that is ridiculous, but isn;t any play good if you are getting infromation out of it?

What information are you looking for here? What are you hoping will happen?

Originally Posted by redfoster

I can see what you are saying on the PF raise, in fact, if I had to do it again, I would have just called (I would not have folded, however), but as for the bet on the flop, these two looked willing to check it away. Obviously, a bet here is asking for a trap, and like I said before, any raise to me has me fold right away, but I don't see the problem with a little probe bet here, unless you are saying it was simply too big. ANd if that is all you are saying, my defense to the size of the bet could be that I was just trying to take it down right here.

I think here you have fallen victim to feeling the need to bet the flop because you have artificially inflated it preflop.

It's not a horrible play to bet the flop after the checks but you are very vulnerable to a call which will leave you in trouble if you don't improv on the turn. Andif one calls the other has odds to call with all sorts. Once again, the pot is not worth it. You've given yourself a chance win a small pot or lose a big one here rather than the other way round which is how it should be.

Originally Posted by redfoster

Anyway, basically I am saying thanks for the actual reply Irexes, and not just saying I am stupid with nothing else. And I appreciate any other replies meant to help me, not to just post a one liner in agreement with everyone else in the topic.

Nothing wrong with a good one-liner

My mistake above, your raise pf was slightly more than a min but small enough that my comments stand