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    Haven't been playing much LHE in a while and figured it was time for a check up, this hand kinda stuck in my head a bit thinking I may have misplayed it. Opponent was the typically type of weird fishey you find at these Stars levels, when he is aggressive PF he stays aggressive post flop regardless of if he hits or not. 40/15/2 over about 50 hands.

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    Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with
    3 folds, SB calls, Hero raises, SB calls.

    Flop: (2SB, 2 players)
    SB bets, Hero raises, SB calls.

    Turn: (3BB, 2 players)
    SB bets, Hero raises, SB folds.
    Uncalled bets: 1BB returned to Hero.

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    He's 40/15, so whats the Point the PF raise?? There is zero fold equity, and now it's a bigger pot that he thinks he can draw to on later streets. Yes, against a decent player I do this, but not against this donk.

    I like the rest of the hand. Get his money in early and get a free card. And then in the turn, this is probably the winner for you, odds are he doesn't have an ace, probably an 8 or something, so bet this and see what happens.
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    I like all of it. The raise PF is good because you are dominating pretty much every hand that he would limp with (with the exception of Ax which is a coin flip). From there it just gets better...

    I like jamming the pot with hands that are ahead in limit anytime I can. It's one of the ways that you make money in LHE.
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    I like all of the hand, but to disagree with Marm because it makes me feel somewhat better endowed in the crotch-ial region.

    The PF raise is great in a shorthanded game in his position. He's got the button post-flop to take the pot on most flops, not to mention a good shot at the best PF hand and if not, after a gay SB call, only a small dog.
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    i am not a short handed expert, but I think the PFR has value.

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    I actually really liked my PFR, and having position with a fairly good hand like KJs against a single limper I don't mind playing in a larger pot.

    My problem was more on the turn and I think that I made a poor decision to raise it up there, I kind of act fast without thinking much in these types of spots. Would calling not be more profitable if this guy will continue to bet the river?

    He actually suprised me by folding, since he wouldn't have folded an A or a K and he probably wouldn't have tossed even a PP over 7s here. So I guess I was wondering about overall profitability of calling vs raising the turn here. I think my play here is overall less than stellar and I feel switching to calling more vs bet/raising the turn my be what is keeping me from going from to the next level.

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    I disagree Phyto. I'm guessing that his Flop bet was a semi-Bluff (maybe to a baby flush) and his turn bet was a continuation of that (kind of a check to make sure you weren't bluffing). I'm thinking you call his turn bet and he check/folds the river anyway. Worse case, he has some what of a hand and you just call his turn bet, and he sucks out on you on the turn and you lose the hand.

    At most, you may have made one more Big Bet here. I am thinking that you played the hand well. Think of it like this, you could have been playing 72o in this hand and won. If you had done that, you would have been feeling like you played it great. The fact that he didn't call for one more bet on the turn says that he had nothing (I'm guessing not even a draw) and you took as much from this guy as possible...

    I noticed that you mentioned that you knew he was an aggressive Pre-Flop and stayed Aggressive post flop, but he just limped PF. I'm thinking he doesn't have anything that resembles a hand and was just trying to resteal your steal...once he realized you had a hand, he decided to get out without losing anymore money...I think he would check/folded the river (Unless you had shown on multiple occasions that you can lay a hand down on the river for one more bet).

    Guess we'll never know, but if you think this is a leak, I guess I've got a lot of them...
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    if he had 5 outs, getting 7-1 in immediate odds, he probably made you money by folding. If he had LESS then that, there was no way he was calling anyway.
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    I like how you played every street. I would have played it exactly the same.

    I think you raise this preflop every time. Your hand rates to be the best preflop and since it doesn't have decent showdown value unimproved (like a pair and to some extent an A does) it is foolish not to raise it while you have a pot equity advantage. I would raise this preflop regardless of the stats of villian or how he played - you likely have the best hand and have position on him. Good job.

    edit: i think that if you didn't improve on the turn I would have taken the free card. His betting out on the flop means he likely got some piece of that flop or has a small pocket pair. I don't think he folds enough on the turn to bet if you didn't improve.
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    Looking back on this, I'm seeng the value of the PFR. Not sure what I was thinking before, But against this guy, You're probably ahead here.
    Marm is back, maybe. Been off for 3 years. Rusty as Hell.

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