i cant play TT or JJ

**tightagressive** · 04-17-2006

bisons never works for me do the best you can. if anybodys wondering, parents dont want me playing online poker so i cashed out everything but sent back just $200 to mess around til im 18. thats why im playing 6's

i did the best i could with making it easy to read.

***** Hand History for Game 4009922826 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $6 Buy-in Trny:22270987 Level:1 Blinds(20/40) - Monday, April 17, 19:07:18 ET 2006
Table Table 96294 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 6: KristiMM ( $2000 )
Seat 1: wesman46 ( $2000 )
Seat 10: JonathanSam ( $2000 )
Seat 2: The_macabee ( $2000 )
Seat 3: GBose ( $2000 )
Seat 4: BmpanRaz ( $2000 )
Seat 5: stupot108 ( $2000 )
Seat 7: rosiep111 ( $2000 )
Seat 9: ALLBECK ( $2000 )
Seat 8: TrueBlue25 ( $2000 )
Trny:22270987 Level:1
Blinds(20/40)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to wesman46 [

]
>You have options at Table 96862 Table!.
>You have options at Table 96862 Table!.
rosiep111 raises [80].
TrueBlue25 folds.
ALLBECK folds.
JonathanSam calls [80].
HERO raises [320].
ok, raise here, i figure unless somebody picks up a bigger pair behind me i win the hand right here
The_macabee folds.
GBose folds.
BmpanRaz folds.
>You have options at Table 97733 Table!.
stupot108 folds.
KristiMM calls [280].
ok, the cold call. this sucks because i know nothing more about her hand. it was the first hand, i had no idea
rosiep111 folds.
JonathanSam folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7c, 8c, 5c ]
KristiMM checks.
HERO bets [800].
she checks representing a missed flop, i would rather find out here for the size of the pot rather than all my chips on the turn
KristiMM calls [800].
im officially scared. she represents some type of huge hand on the flop, it would make sense she cold callded PF with a pocket pair and made a set. i do not like this call
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ad ]
KristiMM checks.
why bet again? she calls pf, on the scary flop, now an even worse card comes, ill take a free card (for the last safe 10 in the deck)
HERO checks.
** Dealing River ** [ Qc ]
KristiMM checks.
im done for. even though she checks, there is nothing i can do here, everything she has/might have represented now beats me, im happy to see what she has for free
HERO checks.
KristiMM shows [

,

] a pair of sixes.
wesman46 shows [

,

] a pair of tens.
HERO wins 2420 chips from the main pot with a pair of tens.

ok, it makes sense now. (sort of) i was right about a small pair, but she didnt flop a set, she called with the pair/draw combo (people at these stakes cant fold it) the turn and river dont help so check check is good

im pretty sure i played the hand ok, does anyone do anything differntly?

**FelixTheCat** · 04-17-2006

I would have done the same thing. Even though it was checked on the turn and river, it was still a very nice pot.

**Marm** · 04-17-2006

Call PF. This can only lead to bad things by raising. Too many hands are going to call and take a flop here that raised PF (ATs+), and a good part of the time, You aren't goign to like the flop. You really need to play this for Ooverpair to the flop and set value, whatever the flop brings. TT is big enough that you can take down a flop, or stack somebody that thinks their AK/AQ is good on this (if Rainbowed) flop. No need to inflate the pot to commit yourself later.

Way overbet. A 400-600 bet will do the same thing. If they have a pair >9's they will reraise you. If they have Acx here, they will call, because they are thinking they have overs and a flush draw. A flush will flat call. Save your self a few chips here, don't get yourself so pot commited that you can't release on the turn or river.

Aside from your PF and Flop bet sizing, which your flop bet was a direct consequence of the PF raise, which I think is the worse of the two 'errors' (the Flop bet being a minor one since that is just a style difference). The checks on the turn and river are neccesary, since as you said, all the hands she could have are now here. 66 is the ONLY hand that plays it that way and still loses (at least for semi normal people).

**tightagressive** · 04-17-2006

i figured i should have just called pf.

hmm hopefully that fixed a leak in my game. ty

**Marm** · 04-17-2006

There is a spot for raising TT/JJ. I more often than not (65/35?) Raise JJ, and probably 40/60 raise with TT, but thats if I'm opening. I don't think this was a good time to be raising. Epsecially since it's the first hand of a ow buy-in SNG, and trying to define their hand doesn't do much. 40 hands in, against an opponent you know their likely reactions, then I'm all for this in the right spot. But not against an unknown.

**Jason75** · 04-18-2006

Marm's advice is very good. To that, I'll add:

At these blinds I'm even playing QQ for set value.

Remember, when the M's are large, the value of pairs - even big pocket pairs - is VERY LOW. Too many hands get their implied odds to draw out on you if you just play standard 3-5 bb raise poker here, so BE CAREFUL if you're playing that way.

OR - if you're going to raise, raise more to eliminate the odds of some sucker hitting a set on you (not that I would ever raise here with anything less than AA KK). But realize that your raise makes this pot a "big" pot - probably bigger than your ability to play TT (with no reads) can handle at this point.

Call and try and trap flop when you flop a set. Remember, you don't have to win every little pot, just the handful of big ones.

**tightagressive** · 04-18-2006

yeah i was 100% positive i was misplaying these hands. about time i fixed that!
this is why i need poker tracker, i basically have to guess at where my game needs work. lol.

**KINGJACK** · 04-18-2006

I agree with Jason and Marm... no need to take huge risks with TT and an M of 50!

I dont like how your opponent played the hand neither... Honestly when the A felt on thurn, I was sure you was beaten... AK or a higher PP...

66 should have flop PF IMHO the way you played the hand...

Nxt time call TT in that spot... You will keep Ax in the hand and win major pots when th flop comes ATx

EDIT: Oh and even more important... you will be able to fold VS massive resistance and a 9 high flop.

KJ

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