I'm in a Paradise SNG 8.80 buyin, 20 players.

blinds are 10/20, i'm on the button.

i have 760 in chips.

about 6th hand in, i get pocket 4's, make it 80 to go, get two callers, flop comes

267 rainbow.

first player to act checks, second goes all-in (only 6 hands in, he has gone all in twice already, so i know that is his style), i think about it for 2 seconds and call and the other player now folds. he turns over KT and i win the hand with the turn and river coming up blanks.

now, i think it was a good call and a call i would make everytime, considering i don't think he calls a raise 4x the BB with a 6 or a 7, but i got blasted in the chat room like crazy, people calling me an idiot and such.

does anyone here agree or was i right to make the (seemingly easy) call?

I'd have put him pocket 8s or 9s without additional information, he could also have A6 or A7 given the buyin.

Your raise preflop is weird and the call is far from a simple one.

You had a read and you went for it but I'm sensing fishy tendancies on your part seeing as you asked.

i wouldn't consider myself a fish as i am a consistent winner at the stakes i play, but i have been less confident in my game as of late and just wanted a few opinions on this.

now, i would like to know why you thought my pf raise was odd.

i see where you could put him on A6 or A7, but i thought with such a gross overbet, he saw a lot of garbage, assumed i was raising pf with high cards and would fold since i didn't hit the flop. and as i said, he already, just six hands in, had the image of a bully and i thought it was a good call.

Preflop raise: What is the purpose of your 4xbb raise with 44 at this point of the tourney given blind and stack sizes and what outcome are you hoping for?

I'm genuinely interested as this will give an insight into your play.

Personally I can't see what you are trying to achieve with the raise.

Six hands you have a read but had he shown anything down?

Also (I don't know the starting stack) but how did you lose your chips, you have a table image as well and I'm wondering what it was.

starting stack is just 800, i had the bb once and completed when i had the sb, this is the only other hand i played.

he had showed down once, his stack was double mine (my win didn't take him out of the game, he still had 700 odd chips left.)

first time he went all-in, flop was something like T94 and he pushed and got a caller who showed TK. he showed 73 and caught running 7's to take the pot. two hands after that, he pushed with garbage on the board again, but didn't get a caller and just picked up the blinds.


now, for the raise, i see where you are coming from. the initial cause for the raise was to get hands like weak aces and such out, but i do see now why it was not a large enough raise to even do that, as that is still relatively cheap to see a flop holding an ace. doing it over again, i think i would have just limped, or if i was to make a raise, maybe put it at 160.

With 44 you are not trying to get anyone out as its value is in hitting the set on the flop and stacking the schmuck who hits top pair. All the raise does is thin the field and reduce your chance of getting paid for the set. Other than the set 44 is a horrible hand to see a flop with as there will always be at least one overcard and usually three.

As to the other part, if he's pushed 73 on a ragged board then I've got to say that your call is fair enough as you seem to have a sound read on an idiot.

thanks, i definately see what you mean with the pf raise. it's a raise i used to not make, but recently i have been and it's something that as you pointed out, really doesn't do anything for me. i've been treating it like TT or JJ when really i should just be trying to see the cheapest flop possible.


anyway, i'm glad you agree it was atleast not a horrible call. i was beginning to think i was all alone in making it. i could have done a better job explaining why i thought he was pushing with nothing, but oh well.

thanks for the advice. what you said was kind of a wake up call to something i already knew, but wasn't doing.

No problem mate.

Gder, I think if I'd seen a guy push 73o in the situation described I'd be inclined to call, any other time it's obviously a fold.