This is a fairly standard play but just wondered how others play.
$200 NL Hold em Cash game. Some very loose players at table, but reraiser is a solid winning player at this and higher levels.
I have $230
Villian has $190
I raise with QQ UTG to $10 (5BB)
Villain in MP reraises to $33.
I Fold.
Anything wrong here?
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Thread: Reraised holding QQ
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04-13-2006 #1
Reraised holding QQ
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04-13-2006 #2
call.
if the flop comes all below Q
bet about 1/3 the pot.
if he comes over the top...ur beat
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04-13-2006 #3
And what if he's reraising you with TT, JJ, AK, AQ?
At least call, if nothing else, you're getting your implied odds to flop a set against him. If the flop comes without an A or K (which it will about 66% of the time), then fire at the pot. If you're raised or smooth called, proceed with caution.Jason75: Ok, you check and the button bets 400. Now what?
Beavis68: You play poker.
Jason75: Darn, I was really hoping for canasta. Maybe Gin.
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04-14-2006 #4Chaser
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I just got busted holding QQ UTG in a tournament. I have 5000 in chips I raise 5x BB (1000), I get reraised by someone with the same stack size who played quite maniac-ish. My first reaction is going allin, whats are the chances of the other guy holding AA or KK while I hold QQ?
Do you raise at all with QQ UTG?
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04-14-2006 #5
word. even a solid player might raise with these hands. if he does have kk or aa it will be very easy to figure it out after the flop. if a Q comes and he has aa or kk you almost certainly stack him. dont let it go just yet. i call even though im not afraid to check fold the flop.
Originally Posted by Jason75
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04-14-2006 #6
I think making these big raises UTG is a mistake in tourneys. Cash games are altogether different. In a MTT, I now use Phil Gordon's strategy of raising a set amount by position: 2.5 bb in EP, 3-3.5 bb in MP, 4-5 bb CO through BB.
Originally Posted by pocketje
That way the amount of chips you put in is directly related to the amount of risk you're undertaking. Unless you have AA, in the UTG position there are usually 9 players left to act behind you. On the button, there are only 2 left (also, you want to raise more on the button to lessen the odds for the blinds to call).
This also helps disguise your hand strength - you'll be raising the same with AJ that you will with AA or TT.Jason75: Ok, you check and the button bets 400. Now what?
Beavis68: You play poker.
Jason75: Darn, I was really hoping for canasta. Maybe Gin.
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04-14-2006 #7
nothing wrong here.. i would fold too.
if ur calling then ur gonna be playing for the set value.
If this is the case, i dont see villian re-raising a UTG raise with anything less then QQ+
Originally Posted by WotaWaster
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04-14-2006 #8
1.) People, this is a cash game. This is not a tourney thread.
2.) If you like your fold here, in this situation, I like it. There is no real answer here. Let's look at it this way:
If he had you beat, you made the right move.
If he didn't have better than QQ and pulled a move like this, he's prone to make bold moves like this and playing him smart and with your basic instincts will pick him off. You could nail him while you hit a big hand (2 pair or better) and he's overplaying a top pair with a King or Ace kicker.
3.) Personally, with QQ in any position, I prefer going into the flop as the aggressor. UTG, no doubt, I wanna be the aggressor. I like your raise and I think you're in an all-in or fold spot with his re-raise. You need a lot of evidence to move in. I fold here to a solid player at least 9 out of 10 times.
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04-14-2006 #9
But you're getting 10:1 total (direct + implied) odds here. If you do hit you could checkraise villian, who at that point would be pretty much pot committed (assuming Villian bets at least 1/2 the pot) and you'd stack him. If you're going to fold, why not just call and play for a set? Frankly I'd probably put in a call with any pair here.
Originally Posted by the alex
Jason75: Ok, you check and the button bets 400. Now what?
Beavis68: You play poker.
Jason75: Darn, I was really hoping for canasta. Maybe Gin.
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04-14-2006 #10
Duh, er . . . . my math circuts must be on the fritz. 190-33 does not equal 190.
Odds are just better than 8.5:1, so a call here would be slightly -EV.Jason75: Ok, you check and the button bets 400. Now what?
Beavis68: You play poker.
Jason75: Darn, I was really hoping for canasta. Maybe Gin.
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