Played this hand yesterday which really boggled my mind.
Anways it went something like this:

Typical 25/50c 10 handed cash game.
Villian is the SB, im the BB
No reads on Villian yet, except that I havent seen him do anything out of the ordinary.


Im dealt J8 in the BB


Preflop:
1 person limps in, SB completes, I check

Flop: ($1.50)

J 8 3 (8 and 3 are suited of hearts) .. i flop top 2 pair.

Once flop comes down, SB quickly bets potsize ($1.50) without even thinking.

At this point I figure his possible holdings to be J anything, J3 or 83 for a lower 2 pair, a possible set of 8s or 3s.

I raise flop to $6.
He thinks for a while, then calls.

Turn: ($13.5)
The turn card is a 2 of hearts to complete the FD.
Making the board: J 8 3 2 (832s of hearts)

Sb checks.
I bet $12.
Sb raises to $47, and puts me all in.
I have roughly $19 left at the table.


At this point i figured i had been trapped by a hand like 88 or 33. Or he could have a hand like 910s of hearts, or Q9s/Q10s. But i dont think he would have bet the pot so quickly on the flop if he was holding the drawing hands.


What do u do?



Sorry about the late reply in this thread..
Turned out Villian had TP + FD.. He had J 6 of hearts..
It was the first time i had ever been beaten that way.. never in a million years would i have put him on that hand by his flop call.


Go_Fish got his hand right on the button.. nice one

Pot odds are offering 3 to 1 so you need 25% equity to justify a call.
You have 4 outs to the FH for 10%
So to justify a call, you would need to be ahead 15% of the time right now. But he could have flush draw or str8 draw giving him 8 outs... so lets say you need to be ahead 20% (or 2 out of 10) to justify calling.
What are you beating?
flush draw and str8 draw, Jx for top pair, smaller 2 pair, pocket pair
If he's on a flush draw, he's got to have something else to justify his bet/call on the flop (maybe 99, A8, QJ or something with 1 heart)
Str8 draw is very possible (esp. with a heart as well)
1 or 2 pair possible, but doubtful: J2, 83 I would expect him to push the turn with the FD out there

What beats you?
set, flush
I don't see him slow playing a set on flop with 2 hearts... I think he would have pushed after your raise.
I can see him thinking about chasing the flush on the flop and pushing once he made it on the turn.

I think there are enough scenarios where a call by you is justified. If I had to guess, I would put the likelihood in order:
1 - made flush
2 - KJ, QJ, or A8 with the higher card being a heart
3 - T9 with a heart
4 - pocket pair with a heart
5 - a set
6 - a pair with no flush draw
7 - smaller 2 pair

Complex and very confusing situation. I reluctantly call.

He check-raised you on the turn and it screams flush...fold.

So what happened Eclipse?