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Thread: KQo in the BB

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    Default KQo in the BB

    I didn't see many more hands at the table since that QQ. I know the table was really throwing money around though.

    $5 NL Texas Hold'em
    Seat 6 is the button
    Total number of players : 10
    Seat 1: EricBruz ( $19.33 )
    Seat 3: smasheur_ ( $2.76 )
    Seat 6: Chunyee ( $3.01 )
    Seat 7: Gomzi ( $6.20 )
    Seat 9: sharpest_1 ( $28.28 )
    Seat 8: MikeF1889 ( $4 )
    Seat 4: Colt10111 ( $4.48 )
    Seat 10: Koiven ( $5.63 )
    Seat 5: allysonriley ( $6.52 )
    Seat 2: papasmurk ( $5 )
    Gomzi posts small blind [$0.02].
    MikeF1889 posts big blind [$0.04].
    ** Dealing down cards **
    Dealt to MikeF1889 [ ]
    sharpest_1 raises [$0.08].
    Koiven folds.
    EricBruz folds.
    smasheur_ calls [$0.08].
    Colt10111 calls [$0.08].
    allysonriley folds.
    Chunyee folds.
    Gomzi calls [$0.06].
    MikeF1889 calls [$0.04].
    ** Dealing Flop ** [ , , ]
    Gomzi checks.
    MikeF1889 bets [$0.30].
    sharpest_1 calls [$0.30].
    smasheur_ folds.
    Colt10111 calls [$0.30].
    Gomzi folds.
    ** Dealing Turn ** [ ]
    MikeF1889 bets [$0.90].
    sharpest_1 raises [$1.80].
    Colt10111 folds.
    MikeF1889 is all-In.
    sharpest_1 calls [$1.82].
    ** Dealing River ** [ ]
    sharpest_1 shows [ Ac, Ks ] a straight, ten to ace.
    MikeF1889 shows [ Qs, Kd ] two pairs, kings and queens.
    sharpest_1 wins $8.14 from the main pot with a straight, ten to ace.

    I was really unsure of where I was on the flop. The minimum raise UTG seemed odd for this table, so I was thinking they had a big hand. After they called the flop bet I put them on AA. When the Q came on the turn I was sure I was ahead of sharpest, but unsure about colt so I didn't bet too much. After colt folded to the reraise I was pretty sure I was ahead in the hand.

    Anything I really could've done differently here?

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    WE could build a case for folding the turn, but at these stakes it would be a -EV play for sure...

    So I guess you had to lost all of your chips again on that hand!

    An you were up front when th $$ went in after all!

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    Heck, I've seen people go nuts with middle pair!

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    Anything I really could've done differently here?
    You could have folded PF. You said that the min raise PF told you he had a monster...I guess that means that PF you put him on AA, KK, AK QQ or possibly AQ...All hands that have you dominated, so why call?

    As far as the call on the turn, I can see that. The Q just doesn't make sense for his betting unless he's got QQ or AJ...However, You said you put him on AA after the flop, I think KK is also really likely (well not so much because you would have been holding the case K but you know what I mean) and he decided to slow play it for the over calls...When the Q fell, he got afraid that a str8 draw might beat his top trips and came alive...Either way, while you had the best hand, I probably would have folded it (I'm Weak/Tight)...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trons
    You could have folded PF. You said that the min raise PF told you he had a monster...I guess that means that PF you put him on AA, KK, AK QQ or possibly AQ...All hands that have you dominated, so why call?
    9:1 for his $$$ trons.... + if he hits the nuts, good chances he will see a lot of action from the hands you mentioned.

    I would have called with any 2 PF...

    KJ
    Originally Posted by Girevik
    Heck, I've seen people go nuts with middle pair!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trons
    You could have folded PF. You said that the min raise PF told you he had a monster...I guess that means that PF you put him on AA, KK, AK QQ or possibly AQ...All hands that have you dominated, so why call?
    I wouldn't have folded if I knew he had AK. Theres alot of ways KQ can become the nuts, so for a BB and 9-1 pot odds I'll call it any day. Especially when I'll get paid off if It's a flop like AJ10 or KQ8.


    I put him on AA because of how long he took to call the bet on the flop, but didn't raise it. There wasn't a reason to think he was in trouble with his hand with only an OESD possible with 7 outs and rainbow flop. So I assumed he was looking at AA and was trying to get the most out of it with a bettor.
    Last edited by Maf1889; 04-06-2006 at 11:13 PM.

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    I'm not so sure I would have called. 9:1 is great odds concidering that you're no more then a 4:1 underdog PF.

    His biggest mistake was not betting the flop harder. On the flop, the hands looked like:

    Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

    990 games 0.062 secs 15,967 games/sec

    Board: Kc 6s Td
    Dead:

    equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
    Hand 1: 14.3434 % 13.74% 00.61% { KdQs }
    Hand 2: 85.6566 % 85.05% 00.61% { AcKs }

    You got lucky (or unlucy as the case maybe) and turned two pair...
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    I got lucky to hit 2 pair, but I wouldn't have put anymore into it if I didn't hit 2 pair. The same for if i just called the raise to 1.80 and saw the J on the river. I thought he had an A, so I would'nt have been all in for my last 1.82.

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    Fold PF.

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