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    Default value bet?

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (8 handed) converter

    MP1 (t1580)
    MP2 (t1460)
    Hero (t1630)
    Button (t1290)
    SB (t1470)
    BB (t3450)
    UTG (t1100)
    UTG+1 (t1520)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with , .
    2 folds, MP1 raises to t100, 1 fold, Hero raises to t240, 3 folds, MP1 calls t140.

    Flop: (t510) , , (2 players)
    MP1 checks, Hero bets t300, MP1 raises to t600, Hero calls t300.

    Turn: (t1710) (2 players)
    MP1 checks, Hero checks.

    River: (t1710) (2 players)

    Final Pot: t1710

    should i have value bet the river? I wasn't really sure where i stood
    If there wern't luck involed i guess id win everyone

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    Check/Fold. Very likely he has at a minimum a Queen.
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    I am trying to discipline my self to fold on the flop.

    I hate those min raises, but usually means something. If I call I am generally forced to fold the turn.

    if you are going to bet out again, do it on the turn when the flush draw hits, and do it big.

    otherwise check it down.

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    Meh... not pretty, but it works... but no, I don't bet this river.....
    Marm is back, maybe. Been off for 3 years. Rusty as Hell.

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    My initial thoughts on this hand:

    1. It's way too early to play TT for pair value. I think the reraise is -EV here, where as playing it in position for set value is massively +EV. You're getting incredible odds to just call and hit your set.

    2. On the flop: Well, here's your problem with playing this fast. That pot is now too big to walk away from. Of course if your opponent checks you should bet. He could have a lot of hands here that missed the flop and you could be ahead, or he could even have JJ and lay it down to what he thinks is AQ. When he raises, you likely should fold or reraise all in.

    Ask yourself: "If I call, what hand do I represent?" Based on your reraise PF, your bet when he checked, and a flat call of his reraise on the flop, I'd think you've got jack shit, QQ (full house), or a flush draw, but most likely a big ace-x that didn't pair. AA or KK would likely put their opponent all in on the flop after the reraise (to protect their hand against the flush draw). And there's no way you have a hand with a 5 in it.

    If you reraise all in, you now represent AA, KK or AQ - at the very least TPTK.

    3. On the turn, the flush card came. Anyone with any sense will now slow down because they're worried that either you made the flush or have the FH. Your opponent wisely checks, you should probably make some sort of bet to win the pot here. Even if you're called, you've now picked up a flush draw, which is likely good.

    4. On the river, what did your opponent do? If he checked, then I probably check behind him. This hand still might win the pot right here, and he might have the flush. Let's just show the hand down and see what happens.

    Don't bet medium strength hands on the river. You're only going to get a call if you're beat.

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    Just looked at the stack sizes again . . . thought MP1 had a lot more chips. I take back what I said about the turn. Check it down or go all in. If you do go all in, you're likely going to get a call if he's got anything.

    I'd just check it down and then beat myself for playing TT like this when I have an M of 50.

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    you are only getting "incredible" odds for a set if he has AA or KK.

    But a call has value given your position. Calling that check raise sucks the more I look at the hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beavis68
    you are only getting "incredible" odds for a set if he has AA or KK.

    But a call has value given your position. Calling that check raise sucks the more I look at the hand.
    Yes, calling the check raise definitely sucks.

    It depends on the buy in, but I think if you hit your set (which we didn't do here), you're taking out a lot of pocket pairs, AK, AQ (at lower buy ins) as well as AA and KK.

    If this is a $50 SNG, then you're probably only going to take out pocket pairs above JJ and the very occassional AK.

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