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PokerStars Game #933018192: Tournament #3834955, Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2004/12/07 - 07:16:51 (ET)

Table '3834955 1' Seat #7 is the button

Seat 1: 1hugo (1440 in chips)
Seat 2: Homer311 (1090 in chips)
Seat 3: KSOT (1390 in chips)
Seat 4: amanda luck (3245 in chips)
Seat 5: kasperkat (1400 in chips)
Seat 6: JeanieJ(1845 in chips)
Seat 7: rover48 (340 in chips)
Seat 8: MikeMcL (1690 in chips)
Seat 9: farmist (1060 in chips)
MikeMcL: posts small blind 15
farmist: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to JeanieJ[Kc Ah]
1hugo: folds
Homer311: folds
KSOT: calls 30
amanda luck: folds
kasperkat: folds
JeanieJ: raises 120 to 150
rover48: calls 150
MikeMcL: folds
farmist: calls 120
KSOT: folds
*** FLOP *** [Jc 7s Th]
farmist: checks
JeanieJ: checks
rover48: bets 190 and is all-in


Do you Call here?
Thoughts Comments?

Okay, this is probably wrong (I'll figure this game out SOMEDAY), but I'll take a shot.

First of all, Rover is an idiot for calling half his stack there. He needs to either go all-in or fold there. But he didn't so we work with what we've got. Farmist acts before you, so I would have liked to have seen whether they called or not. If so, I probably fold.

If farmist folds, it's a tougher call. I think you're DEFFINATELY beat at this point (if he didn't go all-in on the flop, I'm not sure I can see him pushing in on the flop if he didn't hit it), the question is how badly? If you think he's just got top pair (that would be my guess - if he had JJ he would have gone all-in before the flop, and I can't see calling half his stack with something like 89s), it might we worth a call just because you've got the chips and have a shot at knocking him out, but I think even if he does have top pair, he's likely playing AJ or KJ and you lose three of your outs right there.

Bottom line - I think you're probably in pretty bad shape here (I'm guessing you have 3 outs, MAYBE 6). The question is if you've willing to gamble and take a shot at knocking him out of the tourney. I probably fold it and wait for a better opportunity.

4:1 on your money? I would call. You probably have 7 outs at least, and you get to see both cards - easy call - but I really wouldn't like it.

just to be controversial... and because I'm not a fan of tournaments..

AK is all-in preflop - don't even try playing poker in T'neys...

The rules are simple for T'neys: (look a Skalansky and modify it a bit)

top quartile stack: all in class 1
upper quartile stack: all in class 2 and above
lower quartile stack: all in class 3 and above
bottom quartile stack : all in class 4 and above.

Fold everything else..

If you want to throw in a bit of blind stealing: do 3BB in late if you've got better than j 10 and there's no one calling behind you and the stacks in front are bigger than you...

NLHE tournaments are a well conditioned math problem.. The above strategey gives you nearly optimum performance..

Ring is a different matter....

Bob..

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what are you talking about and who are you talking to?

Call for me,

10 outs I'd guess, 3Ks 3As 4Qs and odds on the pot (unless he's hit trips with pocket 7s, which I doubt as he'd probably check). A loss won't harm your stack much and a win would be a reasonable boost. Whether the other guy called or not is also a factor.

I'd play it expecting to lose but hoping to win.

Rex

I missed the Q outs (D'oh!), but I wouldn't be at all surprised if either your K's or A's are dead. If you're assuming he's got a J, what is he calling half his stack with if it's not JJ, AJ, or KJ? I'm not sure I'd put him on connectors, but even then only QJ gives you the outs - J10 gives him two pair on the flop.

I did miss the pot-odds, though. Unless you think he's got trip J's or the made straight, I think you have to make the call.

I agree some of the outs are probably dead, I'd put him on AJ if I'm honest.

I'd pay 190 to find out and use the fact that he beat me to help me take him out later (and not for dinner)

Sklansk's all in system will not teach you to beat tournaments, they are anything but a math problem.

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On topic though, you're play is fine assuming farmist folded here, if he check-called here he is either drawing or slowplaying a set. 3.2:1 to call here. If you're up against JT you're a 4:1 dog so the call isn't terrible here. If you're up against any 1 pair(besides AA KK) or straight draw, you're call is good too.

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