Just an interesting question. wanted to get an idea of the different ways to play this hand here.

Personally, I limp in, and if its raised 4x-10x the blinds i will min reraise. If its not raised, I can get away from it on the flop depending on what happens.

Why do people insist on trying to fold AA on the Flop? Thats losing poker. Ok, So you feel like a big shot pro, holding your chest out and screaming "I folded AA to a known fish who will limp with crap!" I know what TJ and frioends say, but I say they're wrong. Raise preflop, and a substantial amount, then you know you are up against supposedly premium holdins, ALL of which you should be dominating, maybe not, but most likley. You raise preflop to limit the field, increasing your pot equity, and then if you get a scary flop of all paint, then maybe you should fold. But in my experience (I say this because I havent run any numbers empirically) the majority of flops you'll get are favorable to AA. Why let the BB catch 722, you make a big bet, and he pushes in with his boat? Why do people WANT to let AA lose? This is stupidity talking.

Now, I do see a reason for limping with AA early, If you are making a particualr move against a late aggressive player. But ALWAYS limping, as helmutt proposes, is ludicrous.

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Just an example to my point

PokerStars Game #932351118: Tournament #3779653, Hold'em No Limit -
Level XI (600/1200) - 2004/12/07 - 00:44:42 (ET)
Table '3779653 19' Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: stevexpress (4196 in chips)
Seat 2: tut3000 (8200 in chips)
Seat 4: nick0001 (84844 in chips)
Seat 5: ThadRL (86783 in chips)
Seat 6: Cevan8 (21578 in chips)
Seat 7: tao-samadhi (22622 in chips)
Seat 8: TML_fan (21905 in chips)
Seat 9: spankky09 (33680 in chips)
stevexpress: posts the ante 75
tut3000: posts the ante 75
nick0001: posts the ante 75
ThadRL: posts the ante 75
Cevan8: posts the ante 75
tao-samadhi: posts the ante 75
TML_fan: posts the ante 75
spankky09: posts the ante 75
TML_fan: posts small blind 600
spankky09: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ThadRL [5s 4d]
stevexpress: calls 1200
tut3000: folds
nick0001: folds
ThadRL: folds
Cevan8: folds
tao-samadhi: calls 1200
TML_fan: calls 600
spankky09: checks
*** FLOP *** [Ts 2c 5h]
TML_fan: checks
spankky09: checks
stevexpress: bets 2921 and is all-in
tao-samadhi: raises 2921 to 5842
TML_fan: folds
spankky09: folds
*** TURN *** [Ts 2c 5h] [5c]
*** RIVER *** [Ts 2c 5h 5c] [Tc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
stevexpress: shows [Ad Ac] (two pair, Aces and Tens)
tao-samadhi: shows [Th 5d] (a full house, Tens full of Fives)
tao-samadhi collected 11242 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 11242 | Rake 0
Board [Ts 2c 5h 5c Tc]
Seat 1: stevexpress showed [Ad Ac] and lost with two pair, Aces and

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i understand people limp with AA utg. i dont like it, but its not that bad. what i dont understand is why people limp/raise with it.

1st of all you should only be limping when you know it will get raised and when you limp/raise its a dead give away what hand you got. now, any1 with a brain should know what hand you got and only call to hit the flop and take your stack and give you no action when you are ahead. also he could even fold pf and you dont even get to see a flop when you normally would have with AA

so what im saying is if you are going to limp, dont fucking raise it. just call his pf bet and now he has NO IDEA! what hand you have AND! you got a good amount of money in pf. depending on the flop i would probably check/call and probably check/raise the turn. you could also c/r the flop and you would still get more out of him(the amount he bets on the flop will be more than the min raise he has to call). i dont see why you would want to win it on the flop though so probably c/ring the turn would be best. i wouldnt wait til the river because you may have trapped yourself and its tough to fold if you get raised and c/ring the river is retarded because he probably checks behind

unless someone can explain why limp/raising is better than calling i dont see why people do it. doesnt make any sense to me

In My book not raising AA preflop is a Sin. Bad enough to send you straight to hell. Too many people try to get tricky with this hand. While it's a GREAT hand preflop, it isn't Golden. How many times do you get burned by aces? Many many times. Aces should be raised 4x-5x the BB and if you take it down preflop, so be it. Either you win a small pot or you lose a huge one. Your choice. Not raising preflop is asking people to draw out on you.

Now lets say there's an over agressive player at the table and you get AA Utg. If you are 80% sure he'll raise if you limp. Then you should limp with full intention of Limp Reraising the LAG player. You want to isolate the raiser increasing your chances of winning this pot heads up or 3 way. Limp/calling is as bad a play as could come. While when you hit big with AA it can push a large pot your way... any other time it just spells trouble allowing draws in for cheap.

-Jeanie

Hey guys i got this play from watching TJ and reading it in supersystem, and so far it has worked to win me a MONSTER pot each time. Aces are a very strong hand, so Im going to get as tricky as possible to win a big pot. I don't want to make a big raise up front, then its folded around...WOW i didnt get outdrawn but i didnt win a big pot either, what a waste. It may be obvious to a strong player, but the last two times i made this play i sucedeed in doubling up. Im willing to take a bad beat with AA by taking a risk to win a big pot. Also, when I say i might give up AA on the flop, i mean if theres a few people in front of me and its like raised, reraised, and reraised, thats all i meant by giving it up, I usually will not fold on flop.

But I do still think about the table. If everyone is pretty loose passive, i will probably make a raise up front, but if I know there is an agressive player where even if he doesnt raise i know he is a player likely to bluff at the flop, then I will take a chance to try to win a big pot with AA.

Even if there are 9 other players in the pot, im still 33% to win. I hate how the only thing people think of when they get AA is , IM GONNA GET OUTDRAWN. I say take a risk and try to win a big pot.

I think in early position you need to raise with AA - it's not a hand that you want to play against 5 or 6 oppoinents. It doesn't need to be a BIG raise (a lot of people think they need to push in with AA), but it's got to be big enough to make the blinds think about calling.

IMO, the time to limp is in late position when you've only got one or two callers.

Why limp re-raise with AA? To get money into the pot. I don't care if I double up with AA, I will leave that for sets, straights and flushes. With a pocket pair I will take whatever is in the pot. If my opponent wants to gamble, that is fine.

I will sometimes limp with AA up front, especially at a really loose table or early in a tournament. If I have to raise really large to make people fold, i will just limp and if someone raises at all I move all-in. Even a min raise. I will sometimes move in on min raises with much weaker holdings just because I hate min raisers and want to punish them for their lack of balls (they have little tiny balls and I have big steel balls).

Nothing worse than getting AA in the first hand UTG raising it 4-5x and getting 6 callers. I am horrible at playing AA post-flop, so I would like to get my money in before the flop and take my chances.

I think people feel that they have to raise preflop large with AA because they are afraid to play it on the flop. If you know how to play good post-flop poker, you can get away with limping here. :

If you can refrain from using these analogies I'd appreciate it a lot.

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