how is this any different than if you raised instead of limped/called? except for the fact he wont think you are as strong and it will save you a lot money

bonch the odds of getting AA utg are like 2000:1 or something. limp/raising with hands like 67s and 33 from utg is horrible.

bosox who said anything about losing your stack. being a good poker player still applies here on the flop after you limp/called

when you limp/call utg you will take alot more money because they dont put you on that hand at all. you get much weaker hands to pay you which wouldnt normally. now if you limp/raise with AA is KT going to pay you as much when the flop comes Kxx?

either way you will be out of position! either way they money is going in pf!
if you open raise if you limp/raise or if you limp/call.............

if you open raise its standard premium hand raise.
if you limp/raise its a dead give away what hand you have and will give you no action
if you limp/call he is supposedly the guy with AA and will pay you because he has no idea

think people. are you even reading what im saying? im not suggesting limping then calling LPs min raise so you can get it 6 way then get stacked my 87s.

"how is this any different than if you raised instead of limped/called? except for the fact he wont think you are as strong and it will save you a lot money" --- The difference is you get more money in pf. IE: you might get 8 or 10bb in pf than just 4 (had you raised first).

only idiots raise with KT. If he raises with that shit, then he'll call your reraise. Besides, if you bet into him on flop and there's a K, I doubt he'll muck it after calling your reraise.

Cheers,

Mike

whats greater getting 5bb in pf or winning a big pot from someone who has no idea his TP isnt good

the 5bb more that you do get in isnt a good thing though. anyone with a brain is only calling that bet thinking of the sick implied odds he has and starts counting your stack and gets off very cheap by folding the flop.

ok not KT but AQ or KQ or something. both these hands if they hit will be much more likely to pay you when they hit TP or something if they were the ones who raised. doesnt limping utg then calling make you think hes weak or something? if someone did that to me id give him credit for like 44 or AT or something not AA

Why would he 'supposedly be the guy with AA'? lol!

Anyway, you don't even do the limp reraise so there's no point trying to convince you. It's really really simple to understand, but for whatever reason you cannot.

I'm done with this .

Cheers,

Mike

Are you just making this stuff up?

The odds of getting AA UTG are the same for getting AA in any position, 221:1.

I dunno whether he is... I though it was to billiontrillion:1.



Mike

i suck at math but

221:1 you get aces and there are 9 positions?

isnt that 2k:1? lol i dno


hey if you guys dont wanna improve thats fine by me!

Think about it this way. If you limp with a hand like 10j suited and hit top pair in a 6 person pot on the flop, your going to bet it right? If its not the best hand then its not the best hand, and if you are a good player you will be able to get away from it without losing to much money. Same with if AA if you limp in first position and there is no raise, you can bet it like top pair, and make later descicions on how things go on flop.

If you don't raise with aces and 57 gets a free look at a flop of 468, i say so what, he got lucky, but the chances of him hitting a flop that perfect are very slim. Most of the time, someone will probably hit top pair, you will have an overpair, and you will take there roll.

Also, by winning a pot after limping with AA, some people might take note that you limp with big pairs, and you can use it to your advantage later.

What other hands are you gonn alimp with UTG? This is a dead giveaway to the strangth of your hand.

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